Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Currently mobile tractor units loot all white/blue/nullsec/WH wrecks instantly if they are created within 2500m of it.

It is fine for rats but right now it's a pretty nice way to deny loot to pvpers.

Could we get a 2-5 sec delay on looting of player wrecks so there is a possibility of us getting it?

Eh its more about the people you hit where you can't kill MTU first, like hotdropping ratters and ganking mission runners in their missions, you can't always quite have the luqury of killing a 50k ehp structure.

I get carebears like extra layers of safety and loot denial and yeah we are already in the HTFU mode, but it would be nice if we got a bone or two after constant and continuous nerfs y'know

This is one of those things that doesn't happen very often, but when it does it's incredibly annoying. I think the better solution would be for MTUs to have a higher drop rate.

I would say working as intended and -1 to any changes for the MTU.
The tools to solve your problem are already in the game, do you have the creative mindset to figure out how to use them?
No I will not tell you what to do but the first thing that comes to mind is alts.

Yes, MTU's show up on killboards as a loss for the person who deployed them. Similarly, in game, a destroyed MTU shows up as a killmail for the one who killed it and as a lossmail for the one who lost one.

When warping in the gank fleet taking industrial with 27.5k of stront is a bit of a problem because they either align slowly or don't have enough cargo.


You need to destroy the item for it to enter the LP payout or bounty payout. 80-90% drop rate is also fine, 50% is not.

Never thought of this angle before, but you are correct she is whining just like a carebear.

So let me add another -1 to your suggestion.
Your opponent has figured a way to figuratively flip you the social finger AND rob you of the spoils of your victory at the same time.
Rather than a problem to be solved by CCP I see this as a very creative use of the mechanics and tools available to all of us. So that brings me back to my first post, do you have the creative ability to turn the mechanics and the tools back to your favor, or are you going to continue to whine to CCP because someone stole what you think should be yours simply because?

The mistake is that the mechanic as it is doesn't actually benefit anyone it just screws one party out of loot by forcing everything to be rolled through the loot drop system twice. The party that lost the ship is no more likely to get their modules back because the MTU is still going to be destroyed and looted and the additional loss will add an extra potentially expensive loss to their killboard.

MTUs are pretty fine, generally speaking, but them functioning as a kind of "automatic screw you machine" is pretty lame.

All of the recent changes help to keep those who would be victims of ganks / war decs just a little bit safer, and yet from the other side since these changes affect all ship equally (in relative terms) they have had very little impact on those who pursue the traditional PvP game play style of going out and looking for others that want to engage in a fight. Another aspect here, you whine about these things as a nerf to your play style and in a way they are, but they are also a signal from CCP to ALL players, stop shooting at those who do not want to be shot at or we will change the game to protect the cash flow we get from those players.
And before you go off on me about core principals of the game and you are not safe anywhere, or the usual this is a PvP centric game adapt or get out line of crap I will simply respond "real cash money needed to pay the bills" in the end this will trump EVEN THE CORE PRINCIPALS of the game.


You PvP types are big on telling the carebears to bring friends to avoid ganks etc, in point of fact the "bring friends" is an answer given to virtually anything and everything that a carebear may post, and yet here you are whining that you have to bring friends to deal with the MTU that is stealing your loot. That is the very definition of hypocrisy, telling otheres that they need to bring friends to deal with their problems and then turning around and asking for CCP to solve your problem so you do not need to bring friends.

The MTU is not the problem here your entitled attitude is the problem.
If there is an MTU then do not engage.
Destroy the MTU FIRST and then engage.
OR bring a friend specifically to deal with the MTU
Don't have friends then deal with it, but no you cannot have changes to the game simply because you refuse to bring friends.

I was wondering when you would roll out the usual carebear who does not understand line of crap. Thank you for ending the waiting period on that and thank you for playing that trump card. In my real world life full of chaos, confusion and uncertainty it is comforting to know there are still a few things I can count on.

Ah I see from the quoted post above that this is about making ISK from a gank.
You gank for profit or we would not be having this conversation and you would not have asked for this change to the MTU.
Your targets have figured out how to use the tools and mechanics in the game to minimize your profit from ganking them, sounds like genius level thinking to me and as stated before the game working as intended. So again I ask are you smart enough to use the tools and mechanics of the game to counter this? Based on your responses so far I would have to say no you are not.

You state that it is a bad idea to bring in another player / character to destroy the MTU, why?
What is it about bringing friends to help that is bad in this specific circumstance?
Is it the lost profits to you because you have to share?
Is it the difficulty of having to find friends?
Or maybe it is the incredible difficulty of adding just one more ship to your gank fleet?

And yes I do want to hear your explanation of how and why it is a bad idea to bring a friend to the party to handle the MTU, because I will be brutally honest the only reason I see here is simple greed. You do not want to share the profits from your gank with anyone else, so you want CCP to change the game so you do not have to share with one more person. Either that or managing just one more character pushes you over the limit of what you or your computer can handle.