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Shoot it again anyway. Bring your mining fleets, I know they can fly T1 frigates.

Or bring skiffs and make it a solid ball of angry drones.

what are you talking about for older players its 2 injectors a month for younger ones its 1 every 50 days.


even if it was good for new players and would have no effect on older ones this is not the way we want to introduce players to the game

As a new player, having new ways to get SP and become involved in the game are very important. However, a daily activity hacks away at one of the most unique and attractive parts that EVE has to offer.
Having played MMO games off and on for many years, the ability to continue to gain skills even while not logging, and being able to take care of life without the lost opportunity of missing your grind or dungeon group makes this game that much more appealing. Especially for an older and often more intellectual crowd.
I played WoW for a brief time before I began playing EVE and can say that you'll definitely see the spike in activity you're looking for. People will log in, undock and kill an npc, or maybe a few, and New Eden will become slightly more active with an increase in activity for approximately 1-2 minutes per day per character; which adds up. It will not last though. If the players of EVE respond similarly to how the players in WoW responded to garrisons in their most recent expansion, the spike in activity will only last for several months. Personally, I stuck with it for about 2 before I came to the conclusion that the time it took to do daily missions/quests/activities/gold earning was better spent doing other things, and gradually led to my departure from the game. This is an experience several friends I played with also had. The deciding factor in departure was the concept that I pay to play a game that I enjoy, but in order to play the game optimally I had to invest significant time into doing daily activities rather than actually playing the game I wanted.
Bottom line, although a single NPC kill for 10k SP is not a bad daily by any means, the narrative of 'pick your own end-game' or 'play the game how you want, this is a sandbox' becomes diminished as you funnel players into specific activities. As daily activities are added or expanded upon, stated in the original post, the freedoms that define and shape EVE are increasingly relinquished.

It's not even that they are concerned with profits. They are concerned with short term profits and are, on the side, killing the game that has actually paid for all their side projects (none of which have shown any success what so ever by the way). EVE sells because it used to be unique game that respected players and their time, not because it's the n:th copy of WOW. Sadly the greed of CCP knows no bounds, and I guess some of those side projects need to be paid so they are doing only thing they know. Cashing in EVE and then applying for jobs elsewhere as EVE is going down (unless seagull reins in Fozzie and Rise type of thinking and game changes).

Why should they? Whatever they wrote it will be bull****. They smelled the blood, I meant money. Nothing will stop them now.

What about suggestion to add some different ways to complete this daily quest. Killing npc is not allowed to all professions in eve. So, lets say, it will be something like that

get 10k sp for:
Scan any signature in space OR kill npc OR repair any portion armor or shield using remote module OR manufacture something.

So any player will be able to make this daily quest in his own way that similar to his usual game activity.

People seem to focus more on reward and how CCP can incentivize, rather than what CCP incentivizes with this proposal. The nature of the reward is not the problem here. I heard people like JohnyPew offering bringing back limtied skill que and increasing it with daily ship kill. Thats crazy bad an idea and would not achieve anything besides making the game more annoying. Because the problem is not the reward, it is what you wanna ask people to do for the reward.

Whats important is how CCP can achieve a certain goal by using a reward system. Idk if it has to do with current proposal being easier to implement coding-wise, but at its best it would be an half-assed pursuit of a legitimate goal.

We say Eve is a sandbox. It is fun as long as people interact with each other. They stalk, hunt, kill, scam each other, form fleets, do incursions together, do missions, do wormhole sites, sov pvp. They risk stuff to earn isk, they get killed and become somebody else's fun. That's whats fun in Eve. CCP should incentivize this. Let me call this 'content'.

Simply incentivizing people to log in and kill 1 NPC per day is not the best solution to incentivize content. At its best you will get currently AFK people to login in hisec and kill an NPC per day. They will not be taking risk. They will not end up them participating in content in Eve after killing the NPC. Most likely scenario is that they will undock, kill an NPC in a belt, and dock back, log back off. You will probably get slightly increased online player numbers. It will not make Eve more fun and be a catalyst for content.

Then what would catalyze content?

First of all, do not reward risk free solo pve activity. By risk free I mostly mean hisec. By solo I mean there is very little chance of pvp interaction. This includes hisec missions/ratting/exploring etc. There is still a chance these people would get wardecced etc. But these people should have been pushed out of hisec anyway. This is another problematic area of Eve that I will not talk about but basically if you can earn pve income close to null/wh space in hisec this in itself is problematic. Even hisec incursions are a problem. Eve should be such that the rewards are sufficiently greater in null/wh compared to hisec so people would actually prefer losing ships over not leaving hisec.

Incentivize risk-taking, and doing it daily, with rewards that are worth it. So PvE becomes a content catalyst. Here is an idea on how to do it properly.

* Daily journal entries (similar to escalations) you get every day and which expire in 26 hours.
* The entries send you in lowsec/nullsec/wormhole space and drop better loot in that order. If its low/null the system it sends you 5 jumps range of the closest null/lowsec system to you. If its in wormhole space the coordinates are in the system you are in (logged out etc) that day.
* There could be Level 1 to 5 versions of this opportunities (1 good in simple frigates, 5 requires multiple battleships in fleet). There could also be exploration versions.
* Now how can you choose which one you want? From the new daily opportunities menu you choose where (null, wh, low?) and which type (levels 1to5, exploration/combat) you want your daily journal entry.
* IMPORTANT * They would not be gated and they would spawn beacons. Others can warp in and attack you easily. High chance of getting caught. We catalyze content, remember.
* They would take at least 20 minutes to do. Sufficient chance for someone to find you. But also sufficient to ninja them in hostile null etc.
* So once every day you get rewards equal to twice or even three times of what you would make spending same time doing the normal pve activity you do with that particular ship you are committing to the beacon, which is sufficient to do the anomaly you engage with. Risk taken should be big and reward should also balance the risk.
* You can even combine the thematic in game event themes (Guristas, Blood sites etc.) with these. The events were an allright attempt to catalyze content, this is better.
* Now **** the exact nature of the reward. Everything in Eve can be valued with ISK. The reward can be ISK, PLEX, Aurum, ships, whatever else. Just balance it so that it fits the values described above. If you make 100m ISK in a C4 wormhole anom, you should make 200/300m in a L4 wormhole daily opportunity.


Now this is probably significantly harder to implement. It could take a whole patch. But it would be the real solution on what you want to incentivize. And i think the outcomes would be worth to allocate the needed CCP resources upon. Still wanna go lazymode? I have no problems if CCP wants to copy the sites from actual missions in game.



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Best way to use daily system is to incentivize people risking their stuff and have pvp interaction daily for big enough rewards that are worth the risk because we want to promote content, not online people numbers. Current proposal cant do that. I have an alternative above

Because the point is getting you connected, not having you killing a rat...

But the activity should require you to be connected for a minimum time... Killing a rat requires undocking, warping to an anomaly/belt (not 100% sure that there will be a rat), killing the rat and coming back...

If you're a miner, you're likely to leave with a mining ship and mine a little until the rat appear.

If you're in PvE (or even if you're in PvP) you'll get tempted to finish the anomaly instead of just killing a single NPC

The requested activity is minimal but it MAY lead to more activity...

How many times did I connect to restart my PI extractors and ended up staying 1/2h or more chatting with corp-mates...

On another side, I do know that I won't connect daily for these 10k SP... They'll be a nice bonus when I connect, they may make me connect a little more (1/4h to spend... let's connect instead of some other dull activity) but EVE is a GAME, not a job... so there is no way I'd take it as seriously as a job... that's just missing the whole point about games...

Somehow, I'd say that the losers are those who will feel compelled to connect daily... And if it burn them out and make them leave EVE, it's a good thing... both for EVE (people like that don't contribute to a nice environment) and for themself (they really do need to take some distance from EVE).

In a previous post I had the idea of limiting the daily SP bonus to charcters with active training.

Today I found another reason why dailies should be limited to Main characters:

Give players a reason to log in by providing a daily SP bonus for their Mains, and they will be in the game and make New Eden more alive.
But give them a reason to log their Mains out after a few minutes so they can log in their Alts, and New Eden wouldn't get more alive at all.

Killing a rat in most case will take more than than updating a skill queue used to. In most case, it was a click and drag of the skill you already knew you would queue up and then apply.