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Well, that's 2/3 of the way to an acceptable response. Just gotta drop the daily from that last character too and we're there.

This idea needs to die.

Please don't do that CCP. I hate dailys, they are one of the worst game mechanics of mmo games.

Somehow, I'd be glad if some stupid people who feel forced to do dailies "in order to keep their SP superiority" (although they say that SP don't matters so much) decide to quit playing... It'll be some less bastard and better for the game.

Dailies ARE NOT REQUIRED... I already played several MMO with dailies and they are nothing else that things that you can do to spend some time when you feel bored.

EVE is a PvP sandbox with no real content (no, powerblock politics and battles are NOT content, that's only people bragging about their deeds). PvE is rather limited (too few different missions so you end up doing the same again and again) so anything that can give something to do to people who are not in the mood to do PvP is good.

If you think that you don't have any choice beside doing the dailies in order to not "lag behind", you'd better stop right now, you're taking this game way too seriously for your sanity.



I've some heavy PvP'ers in my corp... that don't prevent them to sometimes go out on a mining-fleet with the rest of the corp... Their mining skills are not great but they don't give a s*** about it... it just don't matter... it's fun as we are in fleet and on TS, doing something together...

You also see corpmates that are mostly industrials going to these... for the same reason... and you sometimes see the miners/industrials/PvE/Explorers join some PvP fight with their corp mate too... With low-cost low-skill ships... and it's still fun...


What p**s me off is the way these "older players" are always going nuclear and saying "if you do that, I'll quit" (which they don't after all) every time someone talks about way to get SP like if they were protecting some treasure... It's not about removing them anything... it's about having the newcomers get more fun with the game...


What is killing EVE is not the lack of content (it may help but it's not the main reason), it's these stupid players who feel "elite" because they belong to powerblock and can rule EVE's world... So, if that changes get on your nerves, feel free to leave... EVE will be better without you !!!

For the same reason people who hate daily will still run them. No control over what they do.

Get better glasses.

That would not improve the experience a lot. All it does is make a painfully stupid idea less painfully stupid. As long as the “painful” and “stupid” parts remain, the experience is not improved.

You already have the feedback you need to actually improve the experience — why aren't you acting on it? You know…

Instead of
1) Rewarding SP…
2) …for a specific activity…
3) …once a day

you should
1) Not reward SP,
2) not tie it to any activity, and
3) not make it daily.

There. Improved, and massively so. Unlike your original idea, it will also actually benefit and work in favour of the stated (and implicit) intent of the proposal, as opposed to directly sabotage the effort.


His explanation is nonsensical. The extended skill queue did not stop people from logging in daily, because it never required you to do so to begin with. The extended skill queue meant that people could stuff several weeks or months of skills into the queue, as opposed to maybe 30 days tops. If it had been a daily requirement to update your skill queue, the dip he's talking about should have manifested when the queue was first implemented, not 7 years later.

He can claim otherwise until he's blue in the face, but that's just a fact of how the skill queue worked. He's going to have to come up with something far more clever if he want to argue against reality. His explanation is not a reason not to make it a weekly (or even monthly) tally; it's a pisspoor attempt at hiding the intent of the change: forcing people to log in more often than they've done since 2008.

…but they are forced, by the very nature of what's at stake. You can be as obnoxious and abusive as you like to people who recognise this, but that doesn't change the fact of the matter. And if you're forced to do something in a sandbox, the sandbox has been greatly diminished.

Nonsense. It has tons of content: every form of player to player interaction and social dynamic that is generated by the underlying game mechanisms and the freedom of choice they provide. This mechanism, however, sharply curtails that freedom of choice.

What is “killing EVE” is the lack of content — specifically, the reduction in dynamics as the mechanics have grown more and more stale and predictable, and the many obstacles they've set up for free-form interaction between players. The conflict that has erupted in the last couple of weeks is exactly the kind of content the game thrives on, and unsurprisingly, the activity numbers have shot up. Meanwhile, CCP is begging people to accept a new mechanic that massively disincentivises such activities, instead trying to bribe them to engage in some of the most mind-numbing non-content the game — indeed the MMO industry — has to offer.

still no, bin it, scrap it, throw it away. Eve does not need this stupid idea in any form.

This is a step in the right direction as the feature can now be more easily ignored as you have reduced the potential gain by 2/3 which is a start; go the final 1/3 and this idea will be perfect....

yes they will you could go A MOTH w/o changing your queue you did not need to be on every day how do you not remember that it was not very long ago

you understand there is a difference between being addicted and conditioned right?

Not good enough.


The issue was not the number of characters, but the "daily" reward itself.
You say you want to encourage more logons into EVE, so make it a logon reward.

edit: hate it when I click post by accident.
You are right that SP is a powerful motivator, but this is just wrong. Please don't add this.

... eventually we'll have SP rewards for walking in station?