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aye with and it takes longer and everyone has to do something they would not normaly

with or people can chose what they want to do to get the SP

Just another thought,

All the people complaining about feeling ripped off seem to forget that while CCP does care about us as players and their community, they are a business that needs to pay employees and have a marketable product that appeals to a larger base of players. far fewer people think "Thats the game for me!" when they hear stuff like "learning curve, HA! More like learning cliff!". CCP has to think about their bottom line as well as we, the players. Its super easy to get burnt out on running the same level 4 in the same raven after 3 months of doing it over and over. Being able to get into that Rattlesnake a bit faster, get to a point where you feel confident enought to move to null or WH space faster is only going to improve space for all of us.

The bittervets out there need to realize there is still loads of content only they can handle such as these new cazy drifters ect. You guys need to change with the times. a few million free SP a year is not going to kill anyone. Its just going to embolded people to expand outwards from starting systems and fly into your waiting jaws.

I personally would love to see more SP earning opportunities in game. Eventually necessity will dictate that more new and exciting content (ships, new space, ect) will have to be added by CCP for the older players. I cant wait.

[CCP give us more ships!]

Decide Rise. You can't have cookie and eat cookie. You think my 10 minute period will lead to something meaningful? Why do you think sunday is a peak in EvE? You target wrong audience. Try 10-20 yold, oh wait you do...

Ps. we need a mounts, I meant SKINs for 30 consecutive dailies (that's how you do dailies),
Ps. 2 you have no idea what cancer you want to bring to EvE.

did you miss the part of it having nothing to do with new players?

it is a penalty


the max sp gaind per day is going up by 10k

so if i cant log in i loss 10k sp


just like if i sell something i bought for 1M for 2M but i could have sold it for 3M i lost 1M i did not gain 1M

With this more than likely soon to be implemented system, you are not entitled to max SP for just having a training queue active. You will be granted X SP/hours for the sub with a potential bonus if you put in the meaningless time to do a meaningless task. It's stupid but still not a penalty. They are not removing any possibility from you because you don't do their meaningless task, you just fail to get a bonus. This is not a penalty.

This idea is absolutely terrible, but if you are dead set on implementing it, then I have some suggestions on how to make it slightly less terrible. First things first though, here's just why this is so terrible.

Players are primed to seek rewards in games. You dangle a worthwhile reward like SP in front of their faces, and players will chase after it. On the other hand, players also hate being forced to perform unengaging repetitive tasks just to get at a reward. If people didn't find current PVE so mind numbing then afktar netflix ticks wouldn't even be a thing. But instead of improving on PVE and making it a more engaging activity in and of itself, you're forcing players to just do more old unfun content. You are literally welding good payoff to bad gameplay, and few things could breed resentment and burnout faster.

Combine this with the fact that players can have multiple accounts, filled with multiple characters, many of whom don't even do combat of any kind or have access to easily killable rats at their location, and you've ended up creating a perverse system that literally pits future enjoyment (more SP down the line that can be used or sold) against present enjoyment (freedom to do/not do whatever I want as it suits me) and are forcing players to choose. Assuming just 1 account and easily killable rats nearby for all your toons. What is the choice placed in front of you for getting the most out of your dailies? It's either spend 1 account x 3 character slots x 5 minutes x 365 days a year on unfulfilling busywork, or miss out on a combined 11 MILLION SP A YEAR being free of this nonsense. 90 hours a year of drudgery, or 11 million missed SP? That's the choices you're presenting to players per account, and it's an incredibly crappy thing to do.

But okay, we get it. You want to add dailies, and come any amount of player outrage or fatigued unsubs, nothing will stop you. Well here's at least some tips to make it slightly better.

1) Make the event actually a daily, instead of a 22 hourly. Tie the cooldown to system date rather than time delay. The first lets players log in for their daily carrot so long as they have free time during any point of the day, while the second locks players into a 2 hour window at exactly the same time each day where they must log in or lose their bonus. I hope you can see which one is less user friendly.

2) Let acquisition of the daily bonus be as painless as possible for all character types. Anything less is going to feel like CCP is punishing specific styles of play that doesn't involve repeatedly shooting rats within arm's reach during every day of the year. Seeing as CCP doesn't want to encourage "leveling up your Raven" as the epitome of sandbox play, then tying the bonus to repetitive rat killing is daft.

3) The goal is to get players to log in, not to log in once per character. Keep in mind that this is EVE and people will try to min/max until they burn themselves out, so bake burnout limiters into your design from the get go. Make the daily bonus claimable once per account, rather than once per character. Players have the flexibility to choose where the bonus goes, without feeling compelled to keep doing the same grind over and over again quite as much.

4) Create events around the bonus that are conductive of sandbox play and interaction, rather than try to trick players towards more social engagement and immersion by handing them a carrot that's most easily reached by solo carebearing in highsec.

So here's what I propose. Make a permanent Frostline like spawn that drops Inferno Neural Accelerant tokens in lowsec and Synthetic Neural Accelerant elsewhere. These tokens can be used remotely just like skill injectors, and will add 8000 or 10000 SP to the first character on each account who uses one for that server day. Excess SNA/INAs can also be redeemed for an extremely tiny amount of Aurum. This lets the tokens always have some intrinsic value, while addressing another player complaint of being nickle and dimed to death by Aurum packages not matching extractor and skin prices. Players who like to hunt for goodies have new PVE to complete, players who like to hunt the hunters have new targets, and players who just want their daily boost will log in more often whenever they have the free time as per CCP's goal, without being force fed endless hours of content they don't want to do. Everyone's, if not happy, then at least less dismal.

There is no such skill gap. 95% of the skills an old character has are not relevant to the hull they are currently flying.
Your total SP is not how powerful your character is, it is how many 'classes' you have trained.
The fact you are basing your argument on this shows you don't understand the EVE SP system and therefore should not be making suggestions on it since you are starting from a flawed understanding to begin with.

around and around we go

either way


is a much less demanding system to get the same resaults as the old skill queue did