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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#881 - 2016-04-10 22:12:58 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Lol you can't really disqualify someone from discussing a topic even if some of their post are trolls
I can't, no. But they can certainly do it themselves, much like how he just did.
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#882 - 2016-04-10 22:12:58 UTC
It's an uncomfortable imperfect carrot, EVE tends to have those.
beakerax
Pator Tech School
#883 - 2016-04-10 22:32:23 UTC
Someone on the other thread described this as "carrot on a stick". I like that. Chase the carrot, or you get the stick.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#884 - 2016-04-10 22:34:31 UTC
beakerax wrote:
Someone on the other thread described this as "carrot on a stick". I like that. Chase the carrot, or you get the stick.


Lol I think it's more chase the carrot or get scraps

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#885 - 2016-04-10 22:34:41 UTC
actually it's chase the carrot or you get the no carrot.

I forego training implants in my PVP characters, same thing.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#886 - 2016-04-10 22:45:02 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
actually it's chase the carrot or you get the no carrot.

I forego training implants in my PVP characters, same thing.


But you can still actively engage in your playstyle and use the implants you just choose not to.

People will have to play the way ccp wants for them to get this sp


Not to mention many people already want to forgo training implants and attributes because there is extra risk with some styles of play compared to others with no extra gain

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#887 - 2016-04-10 22:46:49 UTC
wat
Lugh Crow-Slave
#888 - 2016-04-10 22:51:33 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
wat


You can pvp with implants

You can't kill a rat without logging in

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#889 - 2016-04-10 23:02:13 UTC
I can not pvp without logging in too

scratch that, what I should say is you've lost me, and I think anyone else too.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#890 - 2016-04-10 23:04:19 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
I can not pvp without logging in too

scratch that, what I should say is you've lost me, and I think anyone else too.


Implants are not the same as dailies

One forces a playstyles the other makes playstyles riskier


Also you most certainly can pvp without logging in

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#891 - 2016-04-10 23:07:18 UTC
I'll just pretend my goal was to misconstrue the discussion and that I've succeeded.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#892 - 2016-04-10 23:08:39 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
I'll just pretend my goal was to misconstrue the discussion and that I've succeeded.


Lol not like it mattered to ccp in the first place there is no way they won't implement this

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#893 - 2016-04-10 23:13:39 UTC
and it will be a whole new world.

I just want to share some basic advice going forward. CCP will do what they want. Assuming that is true, what's important as an individual player is making sure you get over the feelings and try to make best with how it changes things.

Just go with it.
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#894 - 2016-04-10 23:15:04 UTC
also don't try to logic crazy people who have their own agenda.
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#895 - 2016-04-10 23:16:04 UTC
I'm definitely not talking about CCP, just what makes for a happier life in general.
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#896 - 2016-04-10 23:16:59 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
I'm definitely not talking about CCP, just what makes for a happier life in general.

CCP should give you 10k sp to stop posting
Lugh Crow-Slave
#897 - 2016-04-10 23:27:52 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
and it will be a whole new world.

I just want to share some basic advice going forward. CCP will do what they want. Assuming that is true, what's important as an individual player is making sure you get over the feelings and try to make best with how it changes things.

Just go with it.


Know what I think I would feel much better if ccp did one of two things

A. Clearly explain how they belive yelling people how and how often to play their game fits what they feel eve is

Even if what they feel eve is is differant from what they felt in the past at least be upfront about it.

Or have the respect to tell us this really is nothing more than an attempt at raising numbers

Now I know I won't get this answer just because there is no way they can read post by post and see this but I suppose I'll try

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Kym Mena
World Burning
#898 - 2016-04-10 23:43:28 UTC
Rise,
It seems that, by posting this terribad idea on your way out the door on a Friday, this was more of a heads up of something will happen rather than something that you are thinking about implementing. The vast majority of this thread is speaking out against this idea and its ilk, something you must have suspected would happen, and I can't help but wonder why something that seems to have come down from on-high (i.e. the bean counters trying to impress EA with false metrics) was posted in a "Feedback Center". What I would like to know, foremost, is whether this is an idea being hashed out or a fiasco that is going to be rammed down our throats whether it's good for the sandbox or not. (Hint: It's not.)

Eve is a sandbox, it is advertised as a sandbox and we like it as a sandbox. This idea is of a kind that will start to build a path into our sandbox and has the potential to turn Eve into the kind of game that leaves me looking for a new game, the kind of game that Eve used to be back when the game mattered more than the business. This is not a threat to unsub, but these are my thoughts on what I believe the outcome of this idea could be if it is not reined in quickly.

If this idea is truly an attempt to make new players feel like they aren't so far behind, hide an amount of SP behind the Opportunities and let them explore and learn the game while they earn bonus SP and find their way in the sandbox. Whether you let established accounts access that SP is up for discussion.

I hope you see that the players do not want this, as we value the sandbox, and I hope you can make that point to those behind this idea who, I believe, didn't have the intestinal fortitude to present it themselves and instead made a poor attempt at disguising it as a feature rather than a gimmick to make themselves look better.

While, as I mentioned, I am not threatening to unsub (not so long as Eve is still a sandbox) I am telling you that I will not be participating in this gimmick with any of my characters, "free" SP be damned.

(Remember, the code word is "orthodox")
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#899 - 2016-04-11 00:16:33 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Rain6639 wrote:
and it will be a whole new world.

I just want to share some basic advice going forward. CCP will do what they want. Assuming that is true, what's important as an individual player is making sure you get over the feelings and try to make best with how it changes things.

Just go with it.


Know what I think I would feel much better if ccp did one of two things

A. Clearly explain how they belive yelling people how and how often to play their game fits what they feel eve is

Even if what they feel eve is is differant from what they felt in the past at least be upfront about it.

Or have the respect to tell us this really is nothing more than an attempt at raising numbers

Now I know I won't get this answer just because there is no way they can read post by post and see this but I suppose I'll try

Their ability to give levelheaded explanations about the motivations behind changes left with Soundwave
Lugh Crow-Slave
#900 - 2016-04-11 00:43:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
Rain6639 wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Rain6639 wrote:
and it will be a whole new world.

I just want to share some basic advice going forward. CCP will do what they want. Assuming that is true, what's important as an individual player is making sure you get over the feelings and try to make best with how it changes things.

Just go with it.


Know what I think I would feel much better if ccp did one of two things

A. Clearly explain how they belive yelling people how and how often to play their game fits what they feel eve is

Even if what they feel eve is is differant from what they felt in the past at least be upfront about it.

Or have the respect to tell us this really is nothing more than an attempt at raising numbers

Now I know I won't get this answer just because there is no way they can read post by post and see this but I suppose I'll try

Their ability to give levelheaded explanations about the motivations behind changes left with Soundwave


falcons pretty good about it to.. though i havent seen anything from him is he gone too?

EDIT

also i think i will re link this so more ppl can see it

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble