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Wow so much mad in here over a daily achievement....

Seriously who cares if they introduce a daily.. do them or don't, nobody is forcing this upon you.

If EVE has taught you anything, it is life aint fair, so HTFU and evolve.

Dailies are fine. SP rewards are not.

Dailies will work well if, like the Christmas event, they get people moving around through systems going to sites everyone can see as valuable and go have a fight at or at least compete for (even if one can only get the special bonus for completing that site once a day). But they HAVE to be a multiplayer experience. None of this every one of my characters must now warp to a belt kill a rat and warp back to station/safe. That's a single player experience, the grind that sucks.

SP should never be a reward for in game activity. As it stands, all subscribers are equally enfranchised in the production of SP. Isk and less tangible gains (like killmarks, sov, or whatever; I'll just call these material position) are produced by gameplay. This is what lets me play for material position when I have time without my lack of time compromising my innate ability to play for material position. The ability to purchase sp with isk doesn't change this holy division between passive production of sp and the active production of isk, between my innate production of ability (SP) and my active attempts to use that ability (gameplay). But activity based sp rewards would destroy this holy division of production, classifying players/characters by activity instead of subscription, and requiring certain behaviors for optimal play. The result would be the gamification of eve. We say EVE is real. But it wouldn't be real without the strict inability of players to produce ability.

And fwiw, the lack of a grind and corresponding ability to play irregularly has kept me playing EVE far longer than I have ever played another mmo.

Just because it's available to you certainly doesn't mean you are entitled to it or deserve it. The fact that you have determined that behavior for yourself is your fault alone, not the game's.

It pains me to say it, because I thought I would be ok with it but I don't like it. The implementation of the idea at least.

As a casual player Eve can bit Grindy sometimes but generally I am ok with that. The thought that I have to log into perhaps three characters to kill an npc every 22hours is a little too much.

The task isn't interesting or challenging and the reward is controversial.

Why do it then, it's only 10000 skill points isn't it. Meh.

My main has 126m skill points, a skill injector is 600m Isk and gets me 150,000 skill points that's 4000 Isk per skill point so 10,000 skill points is a 40m reward per day or an injector is 15 days of shooting an npc every 22hours.

I will think on it and post something more constructive soon.

How desperate are you to force people to undock to do something as stupid as warping to a belt, kill an NPC and dock back in station? ... With every single charcter !!

This is bizarre. In most games, the reward for daily quests is loot. We already get the loot/isk for shooting the NPC.

This is a clear case of Malcanis' Law: "Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of ‘new players’, that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players." Ratters everywhere thank you.

No I don't suppose you can

It's like this: Firstly, it's always been a great strength of EVE that grinding is purely optional. Your skillpoints tick away whether you're PvPing, farming rats, updating market orders or in fact have something to do in real life, like go to goddamb work. Secondly, whatever problems EVE has are unlikely to be fixed by importing the lowest grade of skinner-box mechanics from a game that's dying at an even fast rate.

If CCP want to give new players an SP boost, then they can give low-grade skill injectors as a one time per account reward for completing tutorial missions, and follow that up by reworking the SP system to ignore stats and just give a flat 2500 per hour, replacing attribute implants with cheap "skill type" learning implants (eg: +5/10/15/20% SP speed to all spaceship command skills).

Then if they're feeling particularly useful, going through the skill list and look for those goddamb "mandatory" skills like eg: Gunnery or Drones, factoring in the item stats so that the skill bonuses to level 4 are built in, and the skill bonus is reduced to 1/5 or 1/4 what it was (So for example, Gunnery, which adds a 2% RoF to all turrets instead adds 0.5% RoF per level, but all turrets have their RoF improved by 8% to compensate). Ditto Power Grid Management, Launchers, etc.

Or alternatively, decide that all sounds way too much like actual work, and just spend the whole morning playing Fallout 4, have 3 pints for lunch, spend 15 minutes typing up a proposal to straight up steal an unmodified cheap, unimaginative, lazy skinnerbox mechanic from the biggest cesspool of cheap, unimaginative, lazy skinnerbox mechanics in MMOland and ram it into a game based on entirely incompatible principles, then bog off home early to beat the traffic.

It can be easy to log into EVE without a plan, spin your ship a few times, then log out.

I personally find if I start off my EVE sessions with some small task - like running PI, clearing an anomaly or whatever, that the session is more likely to be a longer productive one. Things tend to happen once you have undocked.

This mechanism encourages you to undock and is basically available to every player not camped into their station.

It is also a mechanism you can ignore if you want.

Overall I support the idea. It would be good to have extra triggers as already mentioned, such as mining or exploration, but I wouldn't want it to be overly complicated.

Remember when you were a new pilot, and there were all these big ships in the game, it was all very immersive, so you got really invested and subscribed for years so that some day in the future you could fly them?

I miss that. It's one of the factors that contributed to me paying a subscription for 10 years.

If the game isn't currently rewarding without giving people rewards for playing, then I seriously fear for its future, or at least the future of your most loyal players.

Maybe you should concentrate on making the game better instead?

Huh... guess that I'm puzzled about this.

In one hand, it doesn't feels like it fits in EVE.

On the other hand, well, 10,000 SP/day would be 10,000 SP/day more than I get from playing the game my way and not in some other way. And apparently could get them just for killing a rat in a belt as I mine. Pennies from heaven to say so.


In one hand, it's nice that CCP does something for PvErs for a change.

On the other hand, the actual goal is to provide more targets to PvPrs, so PvErs are just being exploited.


In one hand, it's better than nothing.

On the other hand, feels like buying a sticker for the patient's coffin after he spent three days in the ER waiting room.


Dammit, I am really puzzled.

If I was a wife and CCP was a husband, I would tell him: "Do as you wish, honey". Guess this summarizes my opinion...