These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

'WWB' backgrounds incorrect

Author
Annexe
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#1 - 2016-04-08 07:32:27 UTC
While I do applaud CCP for a speedy response to the war, cashing in on the name and creating some new artwork to reflect, I think you have missed the point..

The war is not against Goonswarm Alliance, the war is against The Imperium Coalition.

The new backgrounds (as cool as they are) represent an incorrect description. Money Badger Coalition vs Goonswarm Alliance.

I am a part of Tactical Narcotics Team Alliance, so why is my part in the war being represented by the 'bee'?


I have no objection to CCP capitalizing on the situation and using it as promotion for Eve, but please don't belittle the situation purely for convenience.


The art team really needs to take a step back and think before jumping all over these things.





*obvious room for gewns trolling, but this is directed towards the art and development of Eve*

Annexe

ITAI - VIP

"i will pop your wreck with faction loot"

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2016-04-08 08:56:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Because you are insignificant compared to CONDI.

That aside, I trust you understand that CCP will not pay royalties to TMC/CFC in order to use their fat hen logo. Roll And I also think that you do not want a rainbow flag in your background in order to represent all colors of the CFC's member alliances. A pitch black empty background would be to only other option, but that's not after your liking either, I think. Roll

Additionally, as much as this background does not represent CFC in your opinion, your failing attempts to paint the attackers as "sov-less" are equally misleading and ignorant to realities. I guess, this evens it out. So, stop crying and undock from Saranen.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Annexe
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#3 - 2016-04-08 09:55:05 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Because you are insignificant compared to CONDI.

That aside, I trust you understand that CCP will not pay royalties to TMC/CFC in order to use their fat hen logo. Roll And I also think that you do not want a rainbow flag in your background in order to represent all colors of the CFC's member alliances. A pitch black empty background would be to only other option, but that's not after your liking either, I think. Roll

Additionally, as much as this background does not represent CFC in your opinion, your failing attempts to paint the attackers as "sov-less" are equally misleading and ignorant to realities. I guess, this evens it out. So, stop crying and undock from Saranen.



*and it begins* nice troll, dude

This isn't a propaganda post, so don't try and make it one.

Neither logo that CCP has made resembles anything that would require royalties, though the bee is a direct relation to goonswarm. The moneybadger logo looks to be a paw print of a badger?

Plain and simple, CCP have represented the wrong side, creating a 'goonswam alliance' logo and not an 'imperium coalition' logo.


the name CFC died a long time ago, along with your attempts to troll post.

Annexe

ITAI - VIP

"i will pop your wreck with faction loot"

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2016-04-08 10:24:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
I am not propagandaing, I am telling you about the reality: The CFC logo is nothing but a hen. There is nothing to the CFC that would represent them better than the bees of CONDI unless CCP pays royalties to use the hen. No other alliance is as well known and as notorious as CONDI. Many people don't even know who all the alliances are in the CFC (they even ask if something like EXE is in CFC despite the alliance being set to -10), thus the bee logo is the only recognizable element for the CFC.

I have given you 2 alternatives, which you obviously aren't fond of. I give you a 3rd suggestion: The cut off leg of a hen. After all, a hen is the logo of the CFC. IsnSo, where is your counter suggestion? Where is your suggestion for a background that represents the whole of the CFC better? If you post in a Features and Ideas Discussion forum and complain about a feature, at least have the decency to put forward an alternative suggestion for the feature.

(Sidenote: No, the CFC name did not die. The current state of your "coalition" is the very embodiment of that name. Your "coalition's" attempts to rename and rebrand themselves, however, are failing spectacularly.)

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Annexe
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#5 - 2016-04-08 10:47:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Annexe
gee, someone is ansty today, im guessing you're a bitter vet due to your constant use of the name CFC


The Imperium has used its name for the better part of a year. Their logo, seen here


Im not here to argue any side of this war, i'm stating the fact.. the war is The Imperium Coalition vs The Moneybadger Coalition, plain and simple.

I am not an employee of CCP, so I will not do their work for them, but if CCP choose to capitalize on the situation, they should promote it fairly. (The all-seeing eye is a pretty simple image to recreate)



Now, Rivr Luzade, I know you are going to reply with another witty anti-imperium rant, but please look beyond your salty dislike and see my argument for what it is.. a mis-interruption from the CCP art department.



Rivr Luzade wrote:
If you post in a Features and Ideas Discussion forum and complain about a feature, at least have the decency to put forward an alternative suggestion for the feature.


I used this thread because there was no direct feedback thread for the new backgrounds

Annexe

ITAI - VIP

"i will pop your wreck with faction loot"

Corvald Tyrska
Valknetra
#6 - 2016-04-08 11:12:06 UTC
Whilst there are certainly many groups in the Imperium being attacked and there are reasons for various groups in Moneybadger to go after some of the specific groups such as SMA, for most of the random players across EVE joining in the various fleet ops such as Spectre Fleet and signing up in droves for Pandemic Horde the reason for doing so is to fight Goons.

For years they have quite proudly stood in the spotlight for scamming and ganking all across EVE, such as in Burn Jita each year, and whilst there are many members of other groups that are involved in these actions, Goonswarm has always been the public face. Not only are they blamed for most of these activities, they proudly take credit for them. Now that there is an opportunity for vast numbers of the EVE population to strike back at them, they are signing up in droves. The other groups getting hit first are just in the way.

The war is certainly about the wider Imperium but pretty much everyone interested in that wider war was already involved. The people learning about it for the first time on the launcher couldn't care less about the Imperium as a whole and if they join in to fight against them it will more than likely be because they want to fight Goons. CCPs marketing on this really is spot on.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2016-04-08 11:13:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
And guess what CFC is going to do if CCP uses the all seeing eye. I guess you can imagine the results considering the massive legal trickery that CCP had to resort to when they changed their alliance logo system. Blink Whether you do not want to do CCP's work is kinda not the point in a forum discussing features and giving feedback. But at last you gave at least an indication of an alternative suggestion. I can already imagine how that background would look like: Black base with a white eye-pyramid. And most of the time either the char needs to step aside to see the pyramid (depicting that allies are not as important and have to take a back seat) or cover the pyramid (indicating that they cover the big guys behind them instead of fighting alongside with them, or in other words the perfect representation of the current situation). Well, I can get behind that background. Lol

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Annexe
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#8 - 2016-04-08 12:36:23 UTC
I am well aware that goons are at the forefront of this war, but CCP encouraging new players to simply join against the Imperium is one sided. Players have the choice who they want to fight for, and thus, both sides should be fairly represented.

The bee can get covered as well, and then you just have black and yellow stripes.

This isn't and for or against any side of the war, just plainly stating that CCP are promoting a war between an alliance and a coalition, which it is not.

Annexe

ITAI - VIP

"i will pop your wreck with faction loot"

Arya Ikahrus
#9 - 2016-04-08 13:06:27 UTC
The leader of the Imperium is the Mittani, and he's a goon. So you get bee's, it makes sense.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2016-04-08 16:44:05 UTC
GRR GONS

HAT GONS


+1 from me op.
Praal
Bearded BattleBears
#11 - 2016-04-09 07:55:04 UTC
Annexe wrote:
I am well aware that goons are at the forefront of this war, but CCP encouraging new players to simply join against the Imperium is one sided. Players have the choice who they want to fight for, and thus, both sides should be fairly represented.

The bee can get covered as well, and then you just have black and yellow stripes.

This isn't and for or against any side of the war, just plainly stating that CCP are promoting a war between an alliance and a coalition, which it is not.

But it is a war against goons. Sure, you and other allies of goons are fighting on the goon side, but you're just incidental targets because you're allied with goons.
Iain Cariaba
#12 - 2016-04-09 08:01:31 UTC
The current system works for me. I joined the Horde to shoot goons. The fact that the CFs of the CFC are between them and me is just a bonus. [:twisted}
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-04-09 08:59:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmer Jones
There are not only more alliances than goons in the Imperium, there are also different mindsets and cultures, just as the MBC has many different sides and cultures at work within it. If it weren't for the Imperium actually cooperating and working together, the MBC would not exist to try to tear it apart, and those groups would be busy taking casual potshots at each other, and the alliances that make up the Imperium.

Without the existence of the Imperium as a whole, this big war would not be happening.

The alliances that make the imperium cooperate and coordinate. We have mixed fleets, and work together very well. But people seem hate to that and are happy to brand the imperium only as "the bad bee people." We're not all bees, yet CCP has aparently taken the stance that we are, so as a feature and an idea I propose that all non MBC or Imperium backgrounds be changed for the duration of the war to themes of peace, love and carebears, heavy on the rainbows, sparkles and pink.

No, not seriously but why would i say such a thing? Because CCP is using this conflict to hype the game, so clearly if you're not in it and you're not waving the flag of the good guys or the bad guys, whoever they are, you don't matter as much. That's crap. Who makes the products that get blown up in huge quantities?

Each side does some production to feed the feud, but both sides rely on supply chains from highsec. Many groups take pride in being miners, manufaturers/producers, or even gankers. But there is no diversity or identity for anyone else. It seems that you're a bee or a badger or blandly inconsequential.

Feature and idea for the purposes of pride and identity for everyone:

Make corp/alliance backgrounds based on already existing cor/alliance logos, with additional icons/decals of a rotatable and scalable nature.

Such variety would also sell the game initially, because when people make their characters now, they have to put some thought and a bit of effort into it, but then for the background only get the same backdrops as everyone else. Yes we have pretty decals in the corners of our ingame info boxes, but click to get a larger picture, they're gone.

When people click on my pic I would like them to see my alliance or corp featured in the background. Well personally it would be my corp logo, cause this picture makes me look completly baked, and a ring of stars could only be surpassed by circling cartoon tweeting little birds.

Come to think of it, i'd love to see that as an option too.

Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#14 - 2016-04-09 09:13:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
I thought this wasn't supposed to be a propaganda thread? Zimmer Jones, you took to the wrong forum with the first 4 paragraphs of the reply. Coalition wide flawless cooperation? Funny. Working well together? Funny. These feats went all out of the window after the CO2 debacle. Since then, you do nothing. The only thing people hear from FCON or RAZOR (if anything at all from them) are massive losses, not contribution to maintaining their holdings. Same goes for SMA and soon TNT. The only vocal rhetoric comes from CONDI, drowning all other "voices" of the CFC. Without the existence of CONDI, there would be no CFC, every single alliance except for CONDI would have been driven out of their Null sec holdings a very long time ago, in particular FCON, SMA, LAWN and others. The only thing that kept that from happening is CONDI. Henceforth, I do not see a single reason why the current background does not suit the CFC when CONDI is dominating the coalition in terms of members, propaganda, fleet contribution (used to until they let their allies fall), vocality, power and deterrent effect. There is no public perception of different alliances in CFC, the large majority of people in and outside of EVE only know CONDI and equate CFC with CONDI. The other alliances do not matter.

With regards to corp/alliance logos as part of the character portrait background, that will likely be a thing before long. Although some logos will be very ugly in the background (especially those with a completely filled background), but that's a different matter.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2016-04-09 09:18:25 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
I thought this wasn't supposed to be a propaganda thread? Zimmer Jones, you took to the wrong forum with the first 4 paragraphs of the reply. Coalition wide flawless cooperation? Funny. Working well together? Funny. These feats went all out of the window after the CO2 debacle. Since then, you do nothing. The only thing people hear from FCON or RAZOR (if anything at all from them) are massive losses, not contribution to maintaining their holdings. Same goes for SMA and soon TNT. The only vocal rhetoric comes from CONDI, drowning all other "voices" of the CFC. Without the existence of CONDI, there would be no CFC, every single alliance except for CONDI would have been driven out of their Null sec holdings a very long time ago, in particular FCON, SMA, LAWN and others. The only thing that kept that from happening is CONDI. Henceforth, I do not see a single reason why the current background does not suit the CFC when CONDI is dominating the coalition in terms of members, propaganda, fleet contribution (used to until they let their allies fall), vocality, power and deterrent effect. There is no public perception of different alliances in CFC, the large majority of people in and outside of EVE only know CONDI and equate CFC with CONDI. The other alliances do not matter.



HAT

GONS


Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-04-09 17:55:31 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
I thought this wasn't supposed to be a propaganda thread? Zimmer Jones, you took to the wrong forum with the first 4 paragraphs of the reply. Coalition wide flawless cooperation? Funny. Working well together? Funny. These feats went all out of the window after the CO2 debacle. Since then, you do nothing. The only thing people hear from FCON or RAZOR (if anything at all from them) are massive losses, not contribution to maintaining their holdings. Same goes for SMA and soon TNT. The only vocal rhetoric comes from CONDI, drowning all other "voices" of the CFC. Without the existence of CONDI, there would be no CFC, every single alliance except for CONDI would have been driven out of their Null sec holdings a very long time ago, in particular FCON, SMA, LAWN and others. The only thing that kept that from happening is CONDI. Henceforth, I do not see a single reason why the current background does not suit the CFC when CONDI is dominating the coalition in terms of members, propaganda, fleet contribution (used to until they let their allies fall), vocality, power and deterrent effect. There is no public perception of different alliances in CFC, the large majority of people in and outside of EVE only know CONDI and equate CFC with CONDI. The other alliances do not matter.

With regards to corp/alliance logos as part of the character portrait background, that will likely be a thing before long. Although some logos will be very ugly in the background (especially those with a completely filled background), but that's a different matter.


Its almost like you have something personal, possibly a grudge to drag out and propagandize yourself. I didn't say it was flawless, or mention by name any of the other members, or say anything about being perfect. I have no need to point out the reasons for huge losses, things happen, its a game, people can read about these thing on multiple sites, any and all of which have huge biases. I can't show fleet composition, I like being in my alliance, but i can say that the other coalition alliances pull their share.

The one line i have said that is actually propaganda, "Without the existence of the Imperium as a whole, this big war would not be happening," Is also true.

Thanks for supporting the backgrounds idea though.

Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.

Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#17 - 2016-04-09 18:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Anhenka
Zimmer Jones wrote:


Feature and idea for the purposes of pride and identity for everyone:

Make corp/alliance backgrounds based on already existing cor/alliance logos, with additional icons/decals of a rotatable and scalable nature.

When people click on my pic I would like them to see my alliance or corp featured in the background. Well personally it would be my corp logo, cause this picture makes me look completly baked, and a ring of stars could only be surpassed by circling cartoon tweeting little birds.


While I consider this whole thread mostly a tempest in a teapot, this is an idea I can get behind. Having an auto generated decal behind the character would be an excellent addition.

Also, from the outside looking in, there's rarely been much of an appearance of any functional differences between "Goons" and "CFC/Imperium". SMA, Initiative, and TNT had a bit of independent action, C02 quite a bit. Basically the non renter portion of the Imperium along the outside edges of the Imperium space.

But the core group of long term alliances around GSF, mainly RZR, FCON, LAWN, and EXE, always seemed like seamless extensions of GSF. Deklein, Branch, Tenal. Left your alliances so isolated from the rest of the game that the only times we every really interacted was when you would roll out with the rest of the CFC to go smash something far from home. And that's not a great way to get a reputation as a strong independent alliance.
Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-04-09 19:07:06 UTC
The reasoning behind it is that goons are behind it. You might be in the coalition but goonswarm is at the coalitions heart. While you yourself might not be a goon, you're under their umbrella so to speak. When the CFC or imperium do something that pisses people off, it's not TNT or FCON or anything else, it's always the goons and up until now you've ha no problem letting people ride the grr goons train. But now that it's a big conflict you don't want to be associated with just them, but all of you as a group.

The rest of eve mostly views the CFC/imperium as goons or goon pets which is why this is WWB not world war imperium.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2016-04-09 20:14:38 UTC
Lyra Gerie wrote:
The reasoning behind it is that goons are behind it. You might be in the coalition but goonswarm is at the coalitions heart. While you yourself might not be a goon, you're under their umbrella so to speak. When the CFC or imperium do something that pisses people off, it's not TNT or FCON or anything else, it's always the goons and up until now you've ha no problem letting people ride the grr goons train. But now that it's a big conflict you don't want to be associated with just them, but all of you as a group.

The rest of eve mostly views the CFC/imperium as goons or goon pets which is why this is WWB not world war imperium.

So the MBC logo should be an IWI theme instead?

Sure, nobody wants to play along and call the other side the imperium, in part because they don't like it (for various reasons), and that's fine. It's part of the war. But considering that the MBC didn't even have an agreed upon nomenclature until a week ago(?), it is very odd that CCP would be so selective in choosing the goon logo. If they followed the same line of thinking on the other side, it would have made more sense to pick one or two of the major opposers to base their background on. And of course there is the matter that CCP chose to base both of its logos on the viewpoints of one side. Rather than letting each side have input on their own or the other. Seems like they only added the goon background as an afterthought.

And seeing as they made their own MBC logo to use, it's not a stretch to make their own for the opposing side.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-04-09 20:51:48 UTC
MBC Logo shoulda been a dollar sign, nothing more or less. That or a toybox, because we're also the Children's Crusade or something like that.




ULTIMATELY...... Hopefully this will be the springboard for corp/alliance backgrounds.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal

12Next page