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The Enyo is able to mitigate as much damage as a Ishkur with 2 armour repairs (Currently, a Enyo is not able to field 2 armour repairs, without losing a micro-warp drive or warp scrambler). I changed, a error I made above with regard to the Enyo having a significant increase in buffer tank (the change in buffer tank is not that significant).

The Ishkur, Hawk and Harpy are all able to mitigate ALOT of damage, with the proposed changes. Alot better than they're able to now. I dunno. If I'm wrong about assault frigates having significantly increase tank. Then pilots would not be able to fit the modules below on assault frigates (SISI)... I don't know. I'm not able to use these setups on TQ now, apparently. I've already posted setups of most assault frigates that will be able to have a way better buffer tank than they're able to field now. The Harpy is not able to fit 2 medium shield extenders and have a damage control. Even if you could now. It still wouldn't have as much effective hit-points as it would with these changes (however I will post a active tanked setup for it anyways). As for the Wolf. It will have a significant increase in buffer tank, with these changes. However, because of a lack of mid slots. It's not able to mount a active setup. With regard to the Interceptor thing. We'll see. I've already made statements, with regard to your argument about interceptor velocity. Yep! Interceptors have a velocity advantage. Then I refered to operational ranges. Any frigate can fly around @ High velocities and scout I suppose. However, I look for surviability when it comes to actually tackling something. Otherwise, you've accomplished nothing. As oppose accomplishing something (pointing something and not exploding). Otherwise, a ship is of no use in that role. You, know?

I know what I'm able to do with Interceptors and assault frigates now and on the test server.

So whatever, I've made my opinions known on subject (meh!). The fact that you're wrong. For some reason, decided not to accept the FACT assault frigates tanks will increase significantly (meh). That's your business. Not a big deal. Whatever. However, having more slots on assault frigates will effect frigate engagements negatively. It's pretty straightforward. No! Rock-paper-scissors, just assault frigates. Giving the Hawk a explosion radius bonus is a good idea instead of adding random slots. On some assault frigates it's just a matter of slot shuffling.

Hawk

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Small Shield Booster II
Small Shield Booster II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters

Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

Small Bay Loading Accelerator II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Ishkur


Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[Empty High slot]

Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Scrambler II

Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Damage Control II
Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Anti-EM Pump I


Warrior II x5


Enyo

Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
[Empty High slot]

Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters

Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I


Hobgoblin II x1


Harpy

Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
[Empty High slot]

Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters
Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Enyo: CPU needs substantial increase +28 , PG needs to be looked at more closely and probably increased ~8

for example,
-4x elections or 4x75 rail, t1 mids( web,scram,mwd) dcII,2x MFSII, 400 or 200 plate , just don't fit, 400 plate way off on both pg/cpu, 200 plate cpu over .

Range vs dps, elections are pretty bad, ions sub par and neutrons are about right. 75 rails w/ jav are also to weak but better since the last patch. To fly this ship right you need some heavy dps that can hit. The CPU needs a substantial boost and the PG should be looked at and probably increased. The utility high is not going to be used if players want to take advantage of the MWD bonus due to the lack of cpu and pg. To have about the same CPU as a taranis but +2 slots least shows that something isn't right. Hope this helps

@Gin
The fitting on the Enyo is fairly sufficient. The Enyo is one of the best new AFs, and is capable of a decent tank.
It's strength however, is in it's ability to dump loads of damage onto the field, not tank like a brick.
Perhaps looking into resist plates and such will prove to yield better results for you, as it's been like that for others

@Darkstar
You make it sound like you had a good argument to start with

You're also making the false assumption that we're the only ones testing these ships, and that this thread is the only source of feedback. If you actually popped onto Sisi for some reasonable time you would have noted that AFs have had overwhelmingly good feedback. This thread has had some downvoters, but it's pretty much the same people (and alts) posting over and over, running the same arguments again and again.

QED

Arrogance, maybe. Some could confuse that with confidence. Idiot!? Possibly. I suppose I'm overtly happy with myself and my life. Enjoying real life and space ships to the fullest. So one mans idiot...

However, my confidence extends into real life. You're whole BEING is trapped within a fictitious digital universe (sad). Could only explain your delusional state.

As for your self importance within a fantasy world (eve-online). Well, you're just another clown within a circus.

We all have are own opinions. I do not feel the need to change someone else's opinion, just as long as they're able except my own (agree to disagree).

You fail alot and are terrible (I play @ being angry, sad or happy. Role playing like a boss! You're plain miserable and sad @ everything). Not surprised you fail to understand there are some serious issues with these changes. Most are able to see the issues these changes will present. Some may not agree with my own views. However, I do agree and acknowledge others opinions. Even some of your own.

So, I will add your quote to my bio as just another clown, who takes a fictional universe to seriously (lol).

There's somewhat of a consensus, with regard to assault frigates getting extra slots and increased tank. Your dribble is just that. A female clown squeezing her nose...

DARKSTAR POWNYOUALL is too nice! +1


-proxyyyy (boss posting)

I'm not trying to defend myself as much as I'm trying to correct your flawed views.
And no Proxyyyy, you didn't show or prove anything. Everything you demonstrated is already possible, which as a result makes your post useless.

How you perceive me as perpetually angry is pretty amusing though

I imagine the cost for AFs will go up as the demand increases.
The *good* AFs were always around 20-25m to begin with, so if people actually started using and losing them en mass the price likely climb. I'm speaking out of my ass here, but I'd guess that if you compare that with the fluctuations of popular T2 ships, the prices will go up.

Say for example, my Deimos.
My Deimos was sitting around 85m per ship prior to Crucible. It's now around 115m

I wouldn't see it out of the question to see AFs averaging around 20-25mil each, peaking around 30m if they REALLY get used. But this is just my inner-(terrible)market-speculator talking.

As for the Navy ships, they're supposed to be better T1.
I think a nice tweak for these would be in the FW environments. Perhaps not allowing AFs in some frig plexes, reserving that ability for the lesser ships.
Keep in mind, they aren't *normal* ships. They're flashier T1 ships and like the rest of eve, you gotta pay for flash.
Back in the day faction frigs were rare to see. Not only because they were awful awful ships, but because they cost a fortune.

Ah well there you go! Maybe limiting Destroyers would be a nice bump as well.

Well you sorry excuse for a frig pilot, ever thought about possibility to engage those rail platforms from up close? The point is, dual web Hawk can always choose the range of engagement and disengage at will if nessesary. I must admit that Takeshi is right, Retribution will be probably able to deal with said Hawk, but that is only one largely becouse of combinatiou of high damage output and ability do deal EMP damage. But thats the only AF.

And for the Iskhur? In theory yes, but in practice... If I was the Hawk pilot i would probably shoot off his drones first:))

@ Prom

I cannot get rid of an impression you are being tittle doddgy about the issue - when someone is worried about the ballance AFs versus other ships, you are telling him that basically nothing will change [AFs will not replace ceptors, Cruisers will be stil able to dispose of them easily and so on] and when iam trying to express my concerns about AFs being imbalanced among their own class, you are basically telling me that ballance between AFs and other ships is more important ?

Sorry If the above sounds confused, but iam actually confused with your answers..

Forgive me. It's a morbid fascination.

These are the people most like you. You have something in common with them. They enjoy fighting with internet spaceships. Yet this is how you speak to them (these were your actual quotes, but I only went about 4 pages back).

Are you proud of how you deal with others?

You've yet to answer the question.

Are you proud of the way you act?