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ISD Chanisa Nemes
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#61 - 2016-03-09 19:50:37 UTC
I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;)

ISD Chanisa Nemes

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#62 - 2016-03-09 20:50:47 UTC
ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote:
I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;)

to a point yeah , some mercs you should always assume they are looking for you (or already know where you are) and need to exercise caution at all times
but others you can be fairly certain where they will be and what they will do until their numbers hit a certain level
or their blood hounds or FC(s) come online.

the bears liked knowing when we would be looking for them as much as we liked knowing when we could look for them.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2016-03-09 21:08:14 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote:
I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;)

to a point yeah , some mercs you should always assume they are looking for you (or already know where you are) and need to exercise caution at all times
but others you can be fairly certain where they will be and what they will do until their numbers hit a certain level
or their blood hounds or FC(s) come online.

the bears liked knowing when we would be looking for them as much as we liked knowing when we could look for them.


Pretty much this

If you know your target there are certain players you would watch out for/keep an eye on.

If you didn't do this then you could be in for a nasty surprise when you lest expected it.

Don't confuse kindness with weakness.

Beware the hand of Fybs.

Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#64 - 2016-03-09 21:16:53 UTC
ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote:
I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;)


There aren't that many major merc groups. There are a lot more small corporations like mine where a handful of people wardec corporations for fun or profit. Those guys can definitely be tracked via watch list and are also a lot more likely to actively hunt rather than camping gates and stations.

As is typical, the small operators of Eve get screwed because "this doesn't affect the big guys".

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#65 - 2016-03-09 21:27:21 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote:
I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;)


There aren't that many major merc groups. There are a lot more small corporations like mine where a handful of people wardec corporations for fun or profit. Those guys can definitely be tracked via watch list and are also a lot more likely to actively hunt rather than camping gates and stations.

As is typical, the small operators of Eve get screwed because "this doesn't affect the big guys".

Pretty much this

Big alliances don't really care since they always have 100+ wars.
But for the smaller corp which hunts 2-3 corps, it just made their game nigh impossible.
They're going to spend way more time looking for an offline dude than they would otherwise.

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome

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Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#66 - 2016-03-09 22:18:22 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
ISD Chanisa Nemes wrote:
I guess I'm kind of confused why people who are being dec'ed would care abut the watchlist changes? Most of the war deccing mercs are so large that there will always be at least one of them online and there are some pretty obvious systems that should just be avoided during a war. I feel like if someone is hunting you it's best to just assume they're coming after you at all times and be ready. Sure it would make it harder to go AFTER an individual when you don't know if they're online or not but maybe it's an opportunity for you guys to charge more to find them ;)


There aren't that many major merc groups. There are a lot more small corporations like mine where a handful of people wardec corporations for fun or profit. Those guys can definitely be tracked via watch list and are also a lot more likely to actively hunt rather than camping gates and stations.

As is typical, the small operators of Eve get screwed because "this doesn't affect the big guys".

Pretty much this

Big alliances don't really care since they always have 100+ wars.
But for the smaller corp which hunts 2-3 corps, it just made their game nigh impossible.
They're going to spend way more time looking for an offline dude than they would otherwise.

However, big alliances don't really care because, lets face it, most catches are made on trade hubs or pipe's gates.

If you are an active hunter (as in: Specifically Hunt My Damn Contract Targets) you are kinda screwed.

Join Celtic Anarchy!

Sneaky bastard.
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2016-03-09 23:23:20 UTC
Well my 1st night without my watch list , not to bad, i did miss not seeing the bumpers logging in and any FC log in .

Luck would have it we have great intell in AG , just need to use it more nowBlink

A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head A painting of me

Lahnius
#68 - 2016-03-10 00:14:37 UTC
I actually do like losing the ability to ABUSE the watchlist. Before using the watchlist to keep an eye on who was, or was not, online I used to actually go out and hunt targets ... and now it feels good to be forced back into actually playing the game rather than sitting somewhere waiting for that "DING" sound.

Sitting around waiting makes one lazy, and I became a lazy player. Now I feel like I am back in the game.

... as much as I was like, I am now like ...


Thanks CCP ... I think this was a great move in the right direction!!!!
Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#69 - 2016-03-10 02:09:10 UTC
I wonder if CCP is going to keep track of their Locator Agent's ISK sink dramatic usage drop?

Join Celtic Anarchy!

Sneaky bastard.
HoleySheet1
Deep-Fried Prawns with Lemon
#70 - 2016-03-10 13:22:36 UTC
Lahnius wrote:
I actually do like losing the ability to ABUSE the watchlist. Before using the watchlist to keep an eye on who was, or was not, online I used to actually go out and hunt targets ... and now it feels good to be forced back into actually playing the game rather than sitting somewhere waiting for that "DING" sound.

Sitting around waiting makes one lazy, and I became a lazy player. Now I feel like I am back in the game.

... as much as I was like, I am now like ...


Thanks CCP ... I think this was a great move in the right direction!!!!


I agree totally. F$$k the watch list, it was for noobs.

Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#71 - 2016-03-10 13:28:20 UTC
HoleySheet1 wrote:
Lahnius wrote:
I actually do like losing the ability to ABUSE the watchlist. Before using the watchlist to keep an eye on who was, or was not, online I used to actually go out and hunt targets ... and now it feels good to be forced back into actually playing the game rather than sitting somewhere waiting for that "DING" sound.

Sitting around waiting makes one lazy, and I became a lazy player. Now I feel like I am back in the game.

... as much as I was like, I am now like ...


Thanks CCP ... I think this was a great move in the right direction!!!!


I agree totally. F$$k the watch list, it was for noobs.

Easy to say coming from the #1 hub camper Lol

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome

CCL Loyalist
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#72 - 2016-03-10 14:09:18 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
HoleySheet1 wrote:
Lahnius wrote:
I actually do like losing the ability to ABUSE the watchlist. Before using the watchlist to keep an eye on who was, or was not, online I used to actually go out and hunt targets ... and now it feels good to be forced back into actually playing the game rather than sitting somewhere waiting for that "DING" sound.

Sitting around waiting makes one lazy, and I became a lazy player. Now I feel like I am back in the game.

... as much as I was like, I am now like ...


Thanks CCP ... I think this was a great move in the right direction!!!!


I agree totally. F$$k the watch list, it was for noobs.

Easy to say coming from the #1 hub camper Lol

Don't feed the troll.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Plook
Doomheim
#73 - 2016-03-10 15:18:16 UTC
Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented?

You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives.
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#74 - 2016-03-10 15:21:44 UTC
Plook wrote:
Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented?

You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives.


Think someone is earning a perma-dec

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
Plook
Doomheim
#75 - 2016-03-10 15:27:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Plook
Saeger1737 wrote:
Plook wrote:
Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented?

You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives.


Think someone is earning a perma-dec


Just stating facts and reasons. See you at P1. I'll be the one in the Ibis, you won't need logi.
Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2016-03-10 15:30:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Fybs
Plook wrote:
Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented?

You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives.




The newbro with zero kills anywhere in PL's canon fodder alliance has spoken.....

Personally I don't mind the changes.

P.S By the way plook if you think none of us own caps or even supers then you are mistaken.

Don't confuse kindness with weakness.

Beware the hand of Fybs.

Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#77 - 2016-03-10 15:33:30 UTC
Fybs wrote:
Plook wrote:
Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented?

You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives.




The newbro with zero kills anywhere in PL's canon fodder alliance has spoken.....

Personally I don't mind the changes.

P.S By the way plook if you think none of us own caps or even supers then your are mistaken.

I own Super Mario Bros for NES.
Does that count?Lol

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome

CCL Loyalist
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#78 - 2016-03-10 15:35:49 UTC
Plook wrote:
Saeger1737 wrote:
Plook wrote:
Guys, when you consider the fact that your little corporations and wars don't sink nearly as much into this game as super owners and their ilk, are you really that surprised that this was implemented?

You don't have anyone's ear and the vast majority of you are practically peasants compared to most super owners. None of you are ambassadors for the game. You have no CSM representatives.


Think someone is earning a perma-dec


Just stating facts and reasons. See you at P1. I'll be the one in the Ibis, you won't need logi.

I don't use logi's for 1v1's

And as fybs said, some of us do own supers and caps.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
jack1974
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2016-03-10 15:37:56 UTC
As a hunter I personally like the changes. One too many time in highsec and in null sec have my fleets logged in causing the enemy fleets to log out. Far too many times have I heard of people standing down because their enemies had too many people online. Seriously people, watchlists supplied free information wtih zero risk. Eve is not about zero risk.

True hunters always catch their Prey.
Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2016-03-10 15:51:53 UTC
jack1974 wrote:
As a hunter I personally like the changes. One too many time in highsec and in null sec have my fleets logged in causing the enemy fleets to log out. Far too many times have I heard of people standing down because their enemies had too many people online. Seriously people, watchlists supplied free information wtih zero risk. Eve is not about zero risk.

True hunters always catch their Prey.


Well said zues

Too many times in the past have I not been able to get the fights because the enemy fleet new my numbers.

Don't confuse kindness with weakness.

Beware the hand of Fybs.

Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority