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Dev blog: Overlays, ISK Buyer Amnesty and Account Security

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Rawthorm
The Establishment
#361 - 2016-02-26 17:50:16 UTC
Thanks for giving us some clarification. It shouldn't be a big job to change from Isboxer overlays, to just using it to tile clients in the smallest supported size. The end result will be slightly less optimal, but still quite usable. I am wondering however why the rather pedantic distinction? Was forcing us to go from a 1 x 8 client layout to a 2 x 4 client layout to avoid cutting up the displays really worth all this fuss?
Praal
Bearded BattleBears
#362 - 2016-02-26 18:13:56 UTC
Based on the answers, it sounds like isboxer overlays are still OK if you overlay entire clients (not parts) and do not have clickthrough. So you could probably have a DXNothing window with 8 small tiles to monitor all of them.
Som Boty
Super Mother Fan Club
#363 - 2016-02-26 18:45:52 UTC
Praal wrote:
Based on the answers, it sounds like isboxer overlays are still OK if you overlay entire clients (not parts) and do not have clickthrough. So you could probably have a DXNothing window with 8 small tiles to monitor all of them.



yeah... until they decide that's bannable too.
Annexe
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#364 - 2016-02-26 19:08:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Annexe
Max Kolonko wrote:
Annexe wrote:
Do these new policies include key macros? ie: using 1 key to trigger multiple keys.

And how does CCP intend on enforcing these policies without being able to monitor the users actions first hand?





there are no new policies, only clarification.

key macro (multiple action via single key) is a no-no since like forever

As for the second question CCP will never tell You how they detection software works, but do read on anomalies detection a little.



Let me irritate, yes using macro to 'sequence' keys is a no no. Does that include using a single macro function to trigger a single key on-off?


Now what if i'm using a mouse that has keyboard keys linked to it. I am still pressing the same key, but without taking my hand off the mouse? Is that an unfair advantage?

In other words.. can I play eve with this?
Logitech G600 mouse

Annexe

ITAI - VIP

"i will pop your wreck with faction loot"
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#365 - 2016-02-26 19:27:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Anhenka
Annexe wrote:


Now what if i'm using a mouse that has keyboard keys linked to it. I am still pressing the same key, but without taking my hand off the mouse? Is that an unfair advantage?

In other words.. can I play eve with this?
Logitech G600 mouse


This is fine. If you can map something ingame to a keyboard key it's fine to map it to a mouse key. Just can't map multiple things to activate with one mouse press that you couldn't map to a key using only the in game keybinding tools.

I love using G8/G9 as Increase/Decrease probe range and middle mouse button to activate scan for example, and it's fine since all I did was open up the ingame mapping and set it to the mouse key.

Edit: G8/G9 on my 602, dunno where 8/9 is on that clusterfuck of a mouse.
Brutus Vicktor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#366 - 2016-02-26 19:46:03 UTC
What about the tool that some Hi Sec gankers use to get the value of the cargohold on the fly after they got them scaned?

Is that a fair advantage to them against the haulers?
Tiberian Deci
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#367 - 2016-02-26 19:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberian Deci
Som Boty wrote:
Koenig Yazria wrote:
Another day without dearly needed clarifications.

Well done.


When this thread started I had 16 accounts subbed. 48 hours later and I'm down to 8. Keep it up CCP!


If you can only have fun in this MMO by playing with yourself 16 times over its probably better that you unsub your extra accounts bro
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#368 - 2016-02-26 19:59:36 UTC
Brutus Vicktor wrote:
What about the tool that some Hi Sec gankers use to get the value of the cargohold on the fly after they got them scaned?

Is that a fair advantage to them against the haulers?


If you mean Evepraisel then that is ok.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Tiberian Deci
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#369 - 2016-02-26 20:00:08 UTC
Brutus Vicktor wrote:
What about the tool that some Hi Sec gankers use to get the value of the cargohold on the fly after they got them scaned?

Is that a fair advantage to them against the haulers?


You mean evepraisal where you have to manually scan the freighter, then manually copy paste everything into a window and then manually hit a button? Don't be dense you little whiny baby.
Brutus Vicktor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#370 - 2016-02-26 20:25:43 UTC
Tiberian Deci wrote:
Brutus Vicktor wrote:
What about the tool that some Hi Sec gankers use to get the value of the cargohold on the fly after they got them scaned?

Is that a fair advantage to them against the haulers?


You mean evepraisal where you have to manually scan the freighter, then manually copy paste everything into a window and then manually hit a button? Don't be dense you little whiny baby.


No, I mean the use of evepraisal with a flavour

Pic proof
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#371 - 2016-02-26 20:49:56 UTC
Rawthorm wrote:

Actually, the EULA states that CCP may monitor your system. That doesn't mean they do at the moment but they could be and you'd never know it.

Maybe Sreegs is back and the client will start making blind calls for names of known cheat .EXEs

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Som Boty
Super Mother Fan Club
#372 - 2016-02-26 21:11:38 UTC
Tiberian Deci wrote:


If you can only have fun in this MMO by playing with yourself 16 times over its probably better that you unsub your extra accounts bro



or, maybe you should try playing my way before you give advice? I don't clown the way you play.
Praal
Bearded BattleBears
#373 - 2016-02-26 21:48:25 UTC
Brutus Vicktor wrote:
No, I mean the use of evepraisal with a flavour

Pic proof


Does that extract data from the client (ie. hook the client and read data from it)? Or does it react to the windows clipboard containing something that looks like an EVE copy paste?

The first would be bannable, the second is esentially PLH for loot so allowed.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#374 - 2016-02-26 22:49:33 UTC
Som Boty wrote:
Tiberian Deci wrote:

If you can only have fun in this MMO by playing with yourself 16 times over its probably better that you unsub your extra accounts bro

or, maybe you should try playing my way before you give advice? I don't clown the way you play.

Maybe you should try clowning the way they play

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Matt Faithbringer
YOLO so no taxes please
#375 - 2016-02-26 23:03:08 UTC
CCP Grimmi wrote:
... We do not necessarily need to differentiate between different systems. If the logs show activity that should not be possible through normal means, we will take action. ...


Does this mean that when/if windows 10 will allow us to click into small miniatures showed while alt+tab and win10 will sends those click to the apps it will become legal to use scaled-down eve client for controlling the game?

Just want to make sure that whatever feature will windows bring I'm ok to use it.
Kalo Askold
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#376 - 2016-02-26 23:07:21 UTC
"All that being said, we wish you a wonderful day in New Eden!

Your friendly neighborhood Security Folks"

We sacrificed privacy for security, and now the eve server is down. Looks like Ben. Franklin was right; we get neither.
Memphis Baas
#377 - 2016-02-26 23:11:31 UTC
Praal wrote:
Thank you for your answers! A few follow-ups:

1. One part of multiboxing window management is often removing the window border of a client (borderless window). Is this allowed as window management or banned as a modification of the client?

3. Is your detection system able to differentiate between the availability / use of forbidden practices on the system (for other apps / games) and their use with the EVE client.


1. In my opinion, the client has a borderless window mode, so I don't see why they would consider a borderless window management preview as "modification of the client." IMO it should be ok.

3. CCP will never give details about their detection systems. I've had a G15 keyboard with single-key keyboard remaps programmed for EVE, and multi-key scripts for X3AP, for a couple years now, and I think they can tell the difference, but of course this will never be confirmed or denied by CCP because they don't want to give away security secrets.
Digiblast
Nebula Systems
#378 - 2016-02-26 23:38:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Digiblast
Will we be able to run 4 diffrent clients in fixed window mode from 4 diffrent corners of the screen so it will fitt perfectly?
Alundil
Rolled Out
#379 - 2016-02-27 03:54:10 UTC
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
I don't have any questions but I do really appreciate the clarity in that mega-response to questions.

Not empty quoting.
Thank you.

I'm right behind you
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#380 - 2016-02-27 08:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Ok. That's a response at least.

CCP Grimmi wrote:
We do not necessarily need to differentiate between different systems. If the logs show activity that should not be possible through normal means, we will take action.


Please define "normal means". Because, that's kind of what the question is about. If we use the client as shipped, and we use our operating system as shipped to create an overlay - is that "normal" or is it not?

And while you are at it, please define "ordinary Game play" and "transfer of "content appearing within the Game environment" means.

Because pretty much everything in the EULA and your explanations hinges on terms like that.

Same with the "untampered with" windows. My window manager tampers with the Eve client window. That's it's purpose. It manages windows. Hence the name.