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CCP Falcon
#1 - 2016-02-26 17:23:24 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
On June 30th 2016 we will discontinue support for the old EVE launcher which will also bring our Windows XP and Vista support to an end. Players still using Windows XP will be unable to update and launch the EVE client from the new EVE Launcher.

Microsoft ended the mainstream support for Windows XP 7 years ago (14 April 2009) and extended support ended 2 years ago (April 8th 2014). While we wanted to maintain support for XP and Vista for as long as possible, it is now causing too great a burden on our development team.

Although we are aware this change will affect 3.2% of our player base, we cannot continue to maintain the additional overhead supporting this platform causes. Sunsetting Windows XP support will simplify development and the complexity of our platform testing. This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future.

You will have 4 months until we remove the old EVE Launcher access on June 30th 2016. If you are unsure what Operating system you have you can check on this site.

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#2 - 2016-02-26 17:33:11 UTC
Good riddance I say.
JonnyPew
Doomheim
#3 - 2016-02-26 17:56:45 UTC
3.2% is more than I would've guessed

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CCP Tellus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2016-02-26 17:57:52 UTC
Can we finally upgrade from Visual Studio 2010? Big smile
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#5 - 2016-02-26 17:59:16 UTC
CCP Tellus wrote:
Can we finally upgrade from Visual Studio 2010? Big smile

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Athena Arbosa
100-Proof Hauling Ltd.
#6 - 2016-02-26 18:18:51 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future.


As a member of the Linux playerbase, dropping the old launcher isn't a matter to us, WINE handles the new one well. However, the same can't be said of DirectX11...

Do you have a timeline for the deprecation of DirectX9? Or should we expect it Soon™?
CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2016-02-26 18:31:42 UTC
Athena Arbosa wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future.


As a member of the Linux playerbase, dropping the old launcher isn't a matter to us, WINE handles the new one well. However, the same can't be said of DirectX11...

Do you have a timeline for the deprecation of DirectX9? Or should we expect it Soon™?


No current timeline is in place for DirectX9 sunset but we're thinking about it internally.

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Eklykti
Anarchy Squad
UA Fleets
#8 - 2016-02-26 18:42:34 UTC
DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad.
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2016-02-26 19:06:09 UTC
Hm. Yes I understand why. Yes I knew it wouldn't last forever. But still .....

Did you know I switched to Win XP on my secundary (bootcamp) partition because the client started working slower and disconnected more and more and more until I became unable to jump a stargate in MacOS/X ?

Well now you know. I could (should) have filed a bug report but I simply didn't know where to start. I literally watched the client degrade, reinstalling didn't cut is so I switched back to XP as a last resort and all my troubles were gone -snap!- just like that. All of a sudden, I could up the graphics from Low on Mac to High all the way. But really ..... it USED to run on Mac. Smooth even. Now it doesn't anymore and I don't know why.

Am I the only one with Mac troubles? Or does this mean I have to poke you for the next four months with said bugs (crashes, disconnects and 30-50 second freezes) to try to revert to MacOS before XP finally closes shop?

Yes I'm willing to put it in debug mode for your benefit if only I knew how. Anybody willing to look into the matter?
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#10 - 2016-02-26 19:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Airi Cho
CCP Vertex wrote:
Athena Arbosa wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
This allows us more time to focus on new features, such as providing a smoother and more enjoyable experience on our DirectX 11 client and puts us in a better position to end DirectX 9 support in the near future.


As a member of the Linux playerbase, dropping the old launcher isn't a matter to us, WINE handles the new one well. However, the same can't be said of DirectX11...

Do you have a timeline for the deprecation of DirectX9? Or should we expect it Soon™?


No current timeline is in place for DirectX9 sunset but we're thinking about it internally.


How about Vulkan? might make porting to linux natively easier in the future ;)
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#11 - 2016-02-26 19:10:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Amak Boma
if we modify our windows XP / windows vista registry to attempt bypss and try to keep using old launcher on these systems will we get banned for doing this? its stupid change t not allow launch eve from older operating systems to be honest vista is not that old, would be better to let players still run their eve clients on whatever system they get but for any problems they wont get support. removing ability to play eve on windows xp or windows vista is somewhat discriminating and not evryone has good eoungh hardware to hop up into windows 7 or so.
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#12 - 2016-02-26 19:17:28 UTC
Amak Boma wrote:
if we modify our windows XP / windows vista registry to attempt bypss and try to keep using old launcher on these systems will we get banned for doing this? its stupid change t not allow launch eve from older operating systems to be honest vista is not that old, would be better to let players still run their eve clients on whatever system they get but for any problems they wont get support. removing ability to play eve on windows xp or windows vista is somewhat discriminating and not evryone has good eoungh hardware to hop up into windows 7 or so.



here is the important bit: your OS does not get security updates anymore. this is bad for you and for the ecosystem of the internet in general. if you cant hop on windows 7 give linux a try. they have lightweight options for your desktop like lxde or xfce.

just staying on dead operating systems is *not* an option.
Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
#13 - 2016-02-26 19:24:01 UTC
Funnily enough this news does NOT appear in the old launcher.

The launcher that XP users get.

So if they don't read the forums ..... they might not get this message.

You might want to look into that.
CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2016-02-26 19:50:42 UTC
Eklykti wrote:
DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad.


Despite us not support Linux, this will be considered, I assure you. :)

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CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
#15 - 2016-02-26 19:53:46 UTC
Amak Boma wrote:
if we modify our windows XP / windows vista registry to attempt bypss and try to keep using old launcher on these systems will we get banned for doing this? its stupid change t not allow launch eve from older operating systems to be honest vista is not that old, would be better to let players still run their eve clients on whatever system they get but for any problems they wont get support. removing ability to play eve on windows xp or windows vista is somewhat discriminating and not evryone has good eoungh hardware to hop up into windows 7 or so.


I will let customer support comment on if that breaks any rules, I will however say that Vista is a bit different than XP. That is to say that when we drop our old launcher, we know it will not work on XP but it may run on Vista. We will not be putting any measures in place to specifically stop Vista from accessing the game. However Vista will be unsupported so any issues encountered will not be acted upon by our development teams.

**CCP Vertex  |  Senior Development Manager ** | @CCP_Vertex
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2016-02-26 20:06:14 UTC
damn, now i need to upgrade my rig

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#17 - 2016-02-26 20:24:03 UTC
CCP Vertex wrote:
Eklykti wrote:
DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad.


Despite us not support Linux, this will be considered, I assure you. :)


But you claim to support mac-os. Don't ya know that both have to run on an x server to draw a gui or do you think mac os does draw guis by magic?

Vulkan + Mantle would be the better option in the long run anyways. Vulkan = adult entertainment video.

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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#18 - 2016-02-26 20:31:29 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
CCP Vertex wrote:
Eklykti wrote:
DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad.


Despite us not support Linux, this will be considered, I assure you. :)


But you claim to support mac-os. Don't ya know that both have to run on an x server to draw a gui or do you think mac os does draw guis by magic?

Vulkan + Mantle would be the better option in the long run anyways. Vulkan = adult entertainment video.

Does MacOS use X? Or Wayland? I believe that Apple uses its own thing there... But not that I actually care about Apple :P

While it would be most awesome to have the engine run under Vulkan, it is far from trivial to rewrite a engine to use a different graphics API... This will *never* happen with Carbon. Maybe (that's a gigantic maybe) with the thing that will replace Carbon at some point, but I think that to be so unlikely that we might as well not even think about it.

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2016-02-26 21:05:16 UTC
Thought Carbon was end-of-line as well. My Mac still has X, a legacy leftover from 10.5.4. I don't think it's still included in the later OS/X releases -- the "X" mostly refers to the roman number 10, as in "version 10". It's not an X-windows server (anymore), unfortunately.
Cat Harkness
Twilight Labs
The Serenity Initiative
#20 - 2016-02-26 22:02:32 UTC
I can understand XP, but why would ANYONE still be using VIsta?????????????????????

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