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Changes to OS Minimum Requirements

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2016-02-28 16:30:35 UTC
The world is not at peace. My MAC OS Client is bugged still (since November) -- reinstalled using the new launcher, will now start posting bug reports to the Mac side of the forums.

I did love my XP you know.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#42 - 2016-02-29 02:58:53 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Oh noes, my OS has telemetry, the sky is falling because reasons. Also Reddit told me it was bad and I believe things I read on the internet.


As many of your fellow goons as have jobs with my employer, I wouldn't think that you'd need 'why telemetry is bad' explained to you by Reddit.

Whether it's bad or not, every OS uses it.

Your phones do way more of that than any desktop OS. So why is everyone uppity about Windows?
Atum
Eclipse Industrials
#43 - 2016-02-29 07:50:51 UTC
Cat Harkness wrote:
I can understand XP, but why would ANYONE still be using VIsta?????????????????????

Because it isn't the steaming turd-pile that uninformed people claim it to be? Seriously... having this very same discussion on another forum, and the general consensus is that apart from launch problems caused by third-party hardware vendors not being ready with user-mode drivers, Vista has been a perfectly functional OS, particularly after SP2 basically turned it into a Win7 RC.

BTW...
Quote:
Speaking about Windows 7 on October 16, 2008, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer confirmed compatibility between Windows Vista and Windows 7, indicating that Windows 7 would be a refined version of Windows Vista.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2016-03-01 07:09:52 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

Although we are aware this change will affect 3.2% of our player base, we cannot continue to maintain the additional overhead supporting this platform causes.

Does keeping XP compatibility really take that much work? As in is this one guy spending an hour or is it a lot more? This change won't affect me because I'm running Windows 10 on my machines but I was just curious.
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#45 - 2016-03-01 09:40:34 UTC
IIshira wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

Although we are aware this change will affect 3.2% of our player base, we cannot continue to maintain the additional overhead supporting this platform causes.

Does keeping XP compatibility really take that much work? As in is this one guy spending an hour or is it a lot more? This change won't affect me because I'm running Windows 10 on my machines but I was just curious.

XP compatibility affects the choice of tools and SDKs, in some cases forcing us to use tools no longer supported by their providers as XP is no longer supported by its provider.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/

Commander Spurty
#46 - 2016-03-01 16:38:42 UTC
Sure case of "Tail wagging the dog" with Windows XP.

If you can't replace the OS for 'reasons', you sure as heck should not be playing computer games on it!

(some embedded systems use XP and replacing the OS is not cost-effective for weapon systems on Battleships for example).

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
#47 - 2016-03-01 19:56:45 UTC
So if I cancel my accounts because I dont want to upgrade my OS will I get a refund on them as I will no longer be able to play Eve?

I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.

Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
#48 - 2016-03-01 22:13:23 UTC
BTW CCP, this news still does not display on the old launcher.

You know the one that XP users see.
Fzhal
#49 - 2016-03-03 01:43:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Fzhal
Dropping XP makes sense. Vista is borderline. I'm not affected here for the same reasons CCP is dropping them.

This disappoints me. Every day I see a new problem posted pertaining to the new launcher. It is far from solid, unlike the old launcher. This is why I won't be upgrading it until forced. I'll let the rest of the server help you debug it first...

It had better "just work" by that time. I have issues with paying customers being forced to be beta testers.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#50 - 2016-03-03 08:10:40 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:

What's an illustion?

But anyway. I've forgotten far more about IT security and cryptography than about 99.99% of currently breathing humans will ever know about it. I also do not live in the US and do know how to protect my privacy and keep myself anonymous.

It may be an illusion for you and the majority of others, but not for me. I do not only care, I also have the knowledge to keep it the way I like it.

Windows 7 have bunch of tracking services for quite some time already. Of course you can say "I'm smart and just skipped those updates" but then what stops you from disabling tracking services in W10 in one click (there are plenty of tools)?

If you use Internet, use mail services, own any iOS\Android device - your privacy was violated many times already. Just relax and enjoy living the paranoia-free life Bear

So you used the internet and it made you completely surrender your freedom? what?

Your personal freedom and privacy is your own responsibility. Don't expect everyone to surrender theirs because you don't care and don't grasp why it is important. I bet you never got beyond the catch phrase "but I have nothing to hide" in this discussion.

You use an operating system which classifies as malware out of convenience, this is your choice, you surrendered your privacy at will. Why would you expect anyone else to do the same stupid mistake?
Dinkler Aurilen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2016-03-04 16:35:26 UTC
When the new launcher was first released, I cheered! It was wonderful, and I encouraged others to check out the new launcher. Now that it's GA, however, I've run into loads of issues with it. There are many days (more often than otherwise) that I cannot use the new launcher at all. I've logged several tickets, 2 of which were closed with little/no research.

I've now submitted a new support ticket, and I included logs! I've included Evelog, Wireshark, and I even have a Procmon log available should CCP want it - it's just that the support system doesn't allow uploads with that file extension. I'm using Windows 8.1 x64, so that ain't it.

It appears there are issues with SSL - an SSL connect is established, the handshake is completed, and then one side or the other forcibly and prematurely closes the connection. Of the 41 SSL handshakes in the log I supplied, it happened on both client and server ends.

Please fix the new launcher before discontinuing the old one! The new launcher has consistently had issues with my system since shortly after its beta release. Hopefully these logs will help you solve the riddle. I am, of course, available to help however I might!

Thanks!
Alia Ravenswing
DARK HAT
#52 - 2016-03-05 23:15:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Alia Ravenswing
I have been playing for 8 years, and I still play on XP 32 bit using the highest resolution and default level of details with no problem.

All my other systems are Linux due to Microsoft's policies which are a security threat. Windows 7 is an option for me, but I suspect support for that will be dropped by CCP also. I hate Windows 8 and will absolutely not ever use Windows 10. Therefor, I will no longer be playing EVE online once that switch is made.

Thank you CCP for the many years of fun, but this change will mean we have to part ways.
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2016-03-06 08:53:54 UTC
I too would very much prefer the compromise: if there is a way to keep XP support running, perhaps minus some extended features (similar to directX 11 which is already the case), I'd rather drop those features than drop the OS I know to be good and true.

Bigger ... not always better.
Ilian Amarin
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#54 - 2016-03-06 09:25:39 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
CCP Vertex wrote:
Eklykti wrote:
DX11 support in Wine is still on the early development stage, so if you drop DX9 before Wine will be good enough in supporting DX11, all Linux players will be unable to login. This will be bad.


Despite us not support Linux, this will be considered, I assure you. :)


But you claim to support mac-os. Don't ya know that both have to run on an x server to draw a gui or do you think mac os does draw guis by magic?

Vulkan + Mantle would be the better option in the long run anyways. Vulkan = adult entertainment video.

Does MacOS use X? Or Wayland? I believe that Apple uses its own thing there... But not that I actually care about Apple :P

While it would be most awesome to have the engine run under Vulkan, it is far from trivial to rewrite a engine to use a different graphics API... This will *never* happen with Carbon. Maybe (that's a gigantic maybe) with the thing that will replace Carbon at some point, but I think that to be so unlikely that we might as well not even think about it.


OSX uses XQuartz, Apples own implementation of the X Server

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XQuartz
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#55 - 2016-03-06 09:38:16 UTC
Alia Ravenswing wrote:
I have been playing for 8 years, and I still play on XP 32 bit using the highest resolution and default level of details with no problem.

All my other systems are Linux due to Microsoft's policies which are a security threat. Windows 7 is an option for me, but I suspect support for that will be dropped by CCP also. I hate Windows 8 and will absolutely not ever use Windows 10. Therefor, I will no longer be playing EVE online once that switch is made.

Thank you CCP for the many years of fun, but this change will mean we have to part ways.

Have you tried to run it with wine on Linux? I too play for 8-9 years, but always on Linux, and there is a quite active community in the Linux subforum which always has a solution if stuff breaks. Thre are also some devs which are enthusiastic about that OS and it looks like they are looking out for us.
Ilian Amarin
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2016-03-06 12:00:21 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Alia Ravenswing wrote:
I have been playing for 8 years, and I still play on XP 32 bit using the highest resolution and default level of details with no problem.

All my other systems are Linux due to Microsoft's policies which are a security threat. Windows 7 is an option for me, but I suspect support for that will be dropped by CCP also. I hate Windows 8 and will absolutely not ever use Windows 10. Therefor, I will no longer be playing EVE online once that switch is made.

Thank you CCP for the many years of fun, but this change will mean we have to part ways.

Have you tried to run it with wine on Linux? I too play for 8-9 years, but always on Linux, and there is a quite active community in the Linux subforum which always has a solution if stuff breaks. Thre are also some devs which are enthusiastic about that OS and it looks like they are looking out for us.


Another option would be, if you just dont want to use Windows as a main OS, but are fine with it running in its tiny box, to run windows in a VM and passthrough a dedicated GPU to it.

Its a bit of a pain to setup, esspecially cause there arent any (working) step by step guides. But if you are willing to tinker its a nice thing to do.

Though you need a CPU supporting VT-d and VT-x. Prefferably also ACS, but not always neccesary.

In addition to that you also either need a I-GPU + D-GPU. Or 2 D-GPUs, but that might make your system supporting ACS a neccesity, but you can always try using an ACS override patch.

This blog and this Tek syndicate post might be helpfull if you are willing to try.
Though id advise to only use the tek syndicate post as a reffrence and not a guide.

In addition to that, should you be using Arch, the Arch Wiki post regarding this might be helpfull too.

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#57 - 2016-03-06 22:47:11 UTC
Jenni Concarnadine
SYNDIC Unlimited
#58 - 2016-03-07 14:59:54 UTC
Polite question (amd I apologise if this has been asked, :: I just couldn't see it)

Will the withdrawal of the "old" launcher be accompanied by a softeare patch to uninstall the client-side debris, so that we don't inadvertently get locked into an unbreakable loop by accidentally launching it ?
[It might also recover a tiny amount of memory-space, and might enable some server-side saving by removing the need to have a default "You have accessed a launcher which no longer exists" message]
Merdoch
Irregularis
#59 - 2016-03-07 18:02:59 UTC
Will this affect OS X users at all, or does the support EOL apply only to Windows users?
Lara Divinity
Pidgeon Cartel
#60 - 2016-03-08 04:33:37 UTC
im using win 7 professional n i tried using the new launcher it dont even launch the client window at all so im back to using the old launcher cos that works
how will we be able to play eve when the new dont work properly
again ur forcing things onto us without thinkin n even if id install the new launcher wich does not work as it should what to do with the updates constantly delete n reinstall eve?