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Forcing a UI effect with every scan is a quality of life detriment. It ruins the ability to detect simple shifts with your peripheral vision.

You'll get no argument from me there.

I don't have the client at hand, but can that be reversed? As in, C toggles tracking camera, and Shift-C does the silly new multi-button-press-click method that no-one cares for? Or better yet, can I keep it from ever happening by not biding anything to that stupid functionality at all?



The following stuff still needs to be fixed:

• Tracking camera does not track — it “looks”.
By this I mean that the tracking camera puts the target in focus, rather than show your ship and the target in relation to that ship. It behaves as a very clumsy and pointless way to do what you used to do with the old “look -> set as parent -> set as target” advanced camera combo. No-one particularly used that because it had no real gameplay use (it made for good video fodder, but that's something unrelated and largely irrelevant that doesn't need its own camera mode).

The tracking camera needs to work like the old tracking camera: your ship in the middle (or at an adjustable offset); the target kept on-screen at an adjustable position; no camera tricks (no FoV or zoom or anything) other than rotating to ensure that both positions are on-screen and as close to their set-up points as possible. Otherwise, it becomes somewhere between pointless or just outright unintuitive for anything related to navigation, scanning, or actually… you know… tracking a target.

• Look camera does not look — it follows/does a fly-by
Looking at a target should do only exactly that: it puts the target at the centre of the screen; everything else works as normal in relation to this new focus object. No automated camera movement; no automated adjustments; nothing except what the user does to the camera (manually adjusting slew, zoom, FoV etc). At the moment, you constantly have to fight the camera's automation to be able to analyse details of the target object, which means it is largely pointless for… you know… looking at a target.

If you want to have a camera mode that offers all kinds of cinematic automation, then go ahead and do so, but keep it far far far away from the regular orbit camera that is used to actually play the game.

• Look camera has no toggle.
Just like C should toggle the tracking camera on or off, alt-clicking a target (or nothing) should toggle the “look” camera. The snap-back from target to your own ship should be pretty much instant. It may look neat when the camera flies around in space, but it is useless and just wastes precious time and ruins situational awareness. Having to go to the Selected Items toolbar is horrible design, and having a special separate “stop looking” button is just silly.

• Adjustable (or just a setting for no) acceleration on zoom, FoV, rotation, and dolly moves.
…and for the love of all that's holy, make the acceleration (or lack thereof) equal both the yaw and pitch axes. This is not the same thing as a speed setting — the speed of all of the above should also be user-adjustable since everyone has differently precise mice and prefer different movement speeds. But the acceleration, if you have any at all, must be disconnected from that and be an option for the user.

• Bring back rclick-slewing of the camera.
Being able to quickly look around in a different direction and then have the camera snap back to its previous position is invaluable.

• Bring back Alt-RL-drag FoV/zoom adjustments.
With larger grids and longer “look” distances, the ability to manually adjust your zoom and FoV is more valuable than ever, so removing it at this point is absolutely nonsensical. Since you've spent all this time refactoring the code, maybe now is a good time to make those adjustments persistent across docking events?

• …indeed, make all camera settings persistent.
Such as the position and zoom of the camera between mode changes and docking events; tactical overview settings for the respective modes; indeed any manual adjustment the player can make should be the way they left it when they come back to that view mode.


Oh, and while you're at it, get one of those old banner printing apps, print the following so that each letter takes up roughly an A0 sheet of paper, and plaster it above the UI stations as one of those work-space motivator posters you see in some movies:
Live by that rule. It'll make everyone much happier in the future. Coincidentally, you need to stop applying hollywood-UI effects on everything.

Yes it can, but be warned that changing the hotkeys to swap those functions has the side effect of breaking the tracking hotkey for the old camera.

I'm pressed for time and haven't seen much, well anything, on adding the ability to move your camera around in the future as with the last tracking camera.

And is there going to be a way, or is there a way, to stop that god-awful swaying when the camera tracks something. I don't get nauseous like some do, but it can be disorienting when my camera drone has no idea where it wants to be in relation to my ship. Then my ship moves so far to th left and back it's no longer on screen. It also snaps unreasonably fast in my opinion. Clicking on something directly behind me or to my direct left/right swings the camera like it's the last thing it'll ever do.

I like the new cameras and options, believe me. I just feel like it was unnecessary to remove a lot of the things that made the old camera work to give us something that's not truely out of beta.

Gave the new camera a try last night. lasted all of 5 mintues before I returned to the standard camera.

Old D-Scan is now fixed on Tranquility. If you are affected, you will need to restart your client and launcher to get the fix.

Once again, sorry about the inconvenience.

CCP Turtlepower // Team Psycho Sisters

How about some feedback to the camera? Nice that you´ve fixed the stuff so fast but no feedback on the 20 sth pages of people telling you guys what´s wrong is a bit rude isn´t it?

it still doesnt work for me

I've said it before (likely in this thread) and I'll say it again.

If you're working on the UI in EVE, look, we get it. You want it to look pretty like the rest of the game. That's cool.

But you're doing so at the expense of core functionality, every. Goddamn. Time.

The beta starmap. Still missing core functionality from the original map.

Beta camera. Still missing core functionality from the original camera.

This new d-scan animation? Outright removes core functionality from the tool.



Function over form. Function over form. Function over form. Repeat it until it sinks in, or this cycle of UI tweaks followed by supernovas of player rage will not end.