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Quick update:

Old D-Scan is broken, but we have it fixed internally already, and a fix going out ASAP.
We realize the results list is populating too slowly, we will improve that ASAP as well.

o7
CCP Turtlepower // Team Psycho Sisters

While I can appreciate trying to make things look more interesting, delayed d-scan results are just not the way to go in my opinion. May I ask what the reasoning behind this change was?

So is there an intentional delay that is just moving too slowly, or is the entire delay part of the problem?

I know you are trying but there comes a time to kick the ball away and play defense. First, I want to congratulate you on the inevitable crapstorm on TQ from the quick installation of the V kludge. I'm sure it will be as well received as a Doomsday to a carrier. Not even from a gameplay option, I can't imagine the effect it will have on server performance as they have to process thousands upon thousands of V's each server tick. Not even to mention the clunkiness of the whole setup and that silly lag in populating DSCAN.

This is a classic 80/20 implementation. The problem is that there are too many important features in the 20% that the vast majority of the userbase depends on. Yes, I know you have to have the new camera for capitals and citadels. However, it is really time for a project manager or CCP Fozzie to step in and come up with a plan B. It is obvious that the new camera will not be in an acceptable format for the March release for most of the user base. I will reiterate the only option that is going to let you meet the deadline without full revolt or subscriber loss. I will say this, if forced into this unworking camera in the next release, I will just put all my accounts into Skillqueue Online mode until the subs expire at the end of April and then not renew until I hear that it is fixed. All of my alts purpose is to make ISK so I can lose ships in PVP. This change destroys my PVP playstyle. If I'm not PVPing, I don't need to be hauling, missioning, nor doing industry.

I urge the devs to use this plan B that I will restate one more time:

1) Reset every camera back to the new camera by default with the next patch

2) Code in a requirement that will automatically force a camera switch for using ships or structures that require the new camera. Make sure that no opt-opt can be done while in such a situation. (It would be nice to have the camera reset to prefered option when leaving ship/structure but to get things going, I'd be fine with just re enabling the toggle)

3) Keep the old camera functional for anyone else until the final 20% of the coding can be done to make the new camera better than the old camera in every way.

CCP Turtlepower, CCP Fozzie, et al, please please please don't force this new camera on a large part of your userbase that it is going to hurt. o7

But do you realize that the use case of 'just dscan around me' is sort of broken now, because if you have a celestial selected in Overview, and then press dscan button, the camera will rotate to it automatically, unlike it was before?

Simple example, consider a combat situation, say, you're clearing an anomaly in lowsec. You have pre-aligned to a celestial, you keep that celestial selected to warp out in case you get jumped at, while your drones just clear rats. You have your camera rotated in a way that allows you to see your grid, and when you press dscan button to see what's going on, the camera will rotate to selected celestial, in a completely unexpected manner; now you don't see your grid and lose situational awareness.

The example above is not completely unrealistic. What's worse is that now dscan behavior deviates from what it was before for no apparent reason, and that leads to confusion. Please reconsider this change and make the dscan work like it worked, because losing situational awareness is not fun.

Thanks for the tracking camera. Also I noticed that if you reselect the orbit mode, it will set the chase mode. Nice addition.

While looking those buttons next to capacitor.. Could the open cargo and autopilot be moved some where else? Those don't belong to that group so much. Though I don't know good places for this.

Another thing. IMHO (others can desagree) the tacktical camera button could be a menu, Similar to the scan button. Thus you could put the toggle tracking camera option under that and probably other options for the camera too, when those are created.

Well then, I really never thought I would ever say this but: My alts subscription is due by the end of the months, and for now I will not resub it....

As a paying customer, the old camera is the product I want. Give me the option to continue using it and I will gladly give you more money.

I can live with the new camera if you:

* Re-implement the right-click freelook and zoom option!! (I use it every day, and i simply have no idea what im supposed to replace that function with, once its gone.)

* Re-implenent a tracking camera that works exactly as the old one, which does not offset the ships location and has an adjustable point of interest.

I still wouldnt be happy with this product, but I would call it a day and stop complaining. This whole affair, the way the camera works, the "cinematic" inertia and field of view stuff shows, that you have completly missunderstood what the camera is for.
In the end of the day, I play this game because I really enjoy the experience, and reducing the amount of control I have over the games controls will dampen the enjoyment.

Again: the old camera is the product I want to pay for. Now, in one month, one year and 10 years from now.

Trust me, if they were actually paying attention to Reddit the broken parts of this update would never have gone through. The Reddit community doesn't approve of the V command or the slow dscan list either, and I have a feeling the old dscan window breaking is related to the V function.

ty for camera auto-tracking o7

Orbit camera active, auto-tracking on, when autopiloting with shuttle my ship is lost from fov on every warp after gate jump.

For those of us at work and have not had time to test this yet, can someone please give me a basic idea of how a couple of these things are working right now?

toggle tracking camera" - Does this mean you can turn it on or off like the old camera's "focus on selected item" option (or whatever it was actually called)? It sounds like the center of the focus is off from some of the other comments, but it is at least a start. Does this toggle last session to session, system to system, etc.? or does it need to be re-toggled every time?

D-scan hotkey (V + Click) - How exactly is this different other than adding a click? Did they not add a d-scan hotkey option a while ago that does not involve a click?

Thanks for the help understanding what is happening.