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stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#321 - 2016-02-15 19:36:31 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
... and this is a darn good reason why I won't be giving them any more RL $.


If you buy gametime with ISK you are equally supporting their business model, so your declaration is meaningless. You might has well have announced you'd never again buy from them with VISA(but MasterCard or PayPal is fine!).

Someone bought that PLEX with cash, and the money comes off the books credited to you.
Trader20
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#322 - 2016-02-15 20:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Trader20
Thank the gaming God for this, no more bragging about time spent getting sp numbers. Tis a good day for Eve.

Edit: Toned it down a bit
stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#323 - 2016-02-15 20:20:22 UTC
Trader20 wrote:
Thank the gaming God for this, now sp numbers won't equal epeeness. Tis a good day for Eve.

Incoming vet tears?


They are already here. You can almost swim in their delicious salty goodness; the taste is like honeyed mead and the wailing of their sorrow is like that of the wind howling through a ancient stand of dead alders.
Trader20
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#324 - 2016-02-15 20:28:58 UTC
So now this char is max sp how long do you think it will take him to solo pwn every alliance?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#325 - 2016-02-15 20:33:50 UTC
Trader20 wrote:
So now this char is max sp how long do you think it will take him to solo pwn every alliance?


I heard he paid enough for that char to solo goons in a drake Shocked

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#326 - 2016-02-15 20:41:11 UTC
Trader20 wrote:
So now this char is max sp how long do you think it will take him to solo pwn every alliance?


Don't worry, if you have max skills you are oppressing a ton of people WITH YOUR VERY EXISTANCE! You and IronBank cause others to cry and quit merely by being in game.

Where are my safe spaces in my internet spaceship game? : /
Jenshae Chiroptera
#327 - 2016-02-15 20:46:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
stg slate wrote:
If you buy gametime with ISK you are equally supporting their business model, so your declaration is meaningless.
The PLEX will be bought anyway.
One less of them to be converted into Skill Injectors.

... and it is not my RL cash.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#328 - 2016-02-15 21:17:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
NovaCat13 wrote:


No, just that EVE is different now, not in a bad way, just different and it's a weird feeling. It's almost what Mr Epeen said a few posts further up;

Quote:
Most new people coming from other MMOs can't wrap their coddled little carebear brains around the difference between SP and experience.


My coddled little brain is wrapped around the fact that EVE's skill progression was different and was equally harsh to everyone, but now there's a fast track. It's not quite like grinding in other MMOs but it does change the perception on skills.

Equally harsh? Harsh? Seriously?

It's about the least harsh thing in the game. You never even needed to be logged in to acquire it. You still don't. I actually see the 12 to 22 million SP characters I sell for about an hour every six months. Not exactly a harsh grind.

You remember learning skills, right?

They got rid of them because they served no purpose to advancing game play. Neither does artificially restricting the speed you get to train...everyone gets train...just for being subbed. It accomplishes nothing and is about a dated as the game in general.

Most of the vets that post here are like FOX viewers with their average age of 72 years old. Stuck in the rut of past memories. The 'good old days'. If they were so good, then we'd not have moved past them.

No. The time for the EVE equivalent of walking twelve miles uphill both ways in a perpetual blizzard to school every morning are long passed. The dinosaurs will soon be extinct and I'll be damned if I let them take my favorite game with them.

Mr Epeen Cool
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#329 - 2016-02-15 22:12:16 UTC
Simple really ...

Old EVE you subbed 24/7 even if you were on a fishing trawler with no internet for 6 months as SP was not grindable.

New EVE you can grind SP just like everything else - so you are actually free to unsub during the periods you cannot play much.


Is this a big change to the EVE ethos at a meta level - yes a huge change with massive implications.
Is this a POSITIVE change? Maybe, maybe not, I am reserving my opinion on that as it is currently all conjecture.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#330 - 2016-02-15 22:28:54 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Simple really ...

Old EVE you subbed 24/7 even if you were on a fishing trawler with no internet for 6 months as SP was not grindable.

New EVE you can grind SP just like everything else - so you are actually free to unsub during the periods you cannot play much.


Is this a big change to the EVE ethos at a meta level - yes a huge change with massive implications.
Is this a POSITIVE change? Maybe, maybe not, I am reserving my opinion on that as it is currently all conjecture.
That option is certainly valid...for a few. But if everyone starts doing it, there will be no injectors to buy after a while since no one will be subbed to be farming it for sale.

Some interesting times ahead, for sure.

Mr Epeen Cool
Studley Ramrod
Adult film stars of eve
#331 - 2016-02-15 22:44:21 UTC
Skill injection fatigue, just a suggestion....
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#332 - 2016-02-15 22:47:33 UTC
Studley Ramrod wrote:
Skill injection fatigue, just a suggestion....


whats the point, who else can afford to just bang out 1.8tril making a character max skilled with a load of pointless skills they wont use, not many.

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Dr Caymus
Applied Technologies Inc
Agents of Fortune
#333 - 2016-02-15 22:53:36 UTC
So, I'm reading the thread next door about looking for a little PvP fun and it occurs to me: I've had some fun over the last couple of days with a little PvD right here in the forums! I do feel like it's been a one sided battle though. Looking forward to the Devs weighing in on skill trading concerns.
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#334 - 2016-02-15 22:56:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Ruckert
Quote:
Most of the vets that post here are like FOX viewers with their average age of 72 years old. Stuck in the rut of past memories. The 'good old days'. If they were so good, then we'd not have moved past them.

No. The time for the EVE equivalent of walking twelve miles uphill both ways in a perpetual blizzard to school every morning are long passed. The dinosaurs will soon be extinct and I'll be damned if I let them take my favorite game with them.

Mr Epeen Cool

The day Mr. Epeen Cool strutted into a bar.

https://youtu.be/gkccqolaVGg

"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
Blindmellonchitlan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#335 - 2016-02-15 22:58:11 UTC
This is so good I keep refreshing the page to see what else pops up XD.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#336 - 2016-02-15 23:47:42 UTC
A lot of the characters you bought on the character bazaar were scammers of some flavor. If you bought a new face there, there was a very good chance you would have a whole bunch of someones wanting to melt it off for crimes. Repeatedly.

A signature :o
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#337 - 2016-02-15 23:54:15 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Simple really ...

Old EVE you subbed 24/7 even if you were on a fishing trawler with no internet for 6 months as SP was not grindable.

New EVE you can grind SP just like everything else - so you are actually free to unsub during the periods you cannot play much.


Is this a big change to the EVE ethos at a meta level - yes a huge change with massive implications.
Is this a POSITIVE change? Maybe, maybe not, I am reserving my opinion on that as it is currently all conjecture.
Interesting point here. I wonder if the concept of cash for SP will now be acknowledged as such with additional subs/MCTCs. Prior to this staying subbed for skill queue online was neither objectionable nor questionable, but I wonder how it will be considered in the future?

Personally when asking myself if I want a month of SP to cost $11 or 2.4B isk, I'm still tempted to lean towards the $11 for the same reason I don't PLEX an account, I hate the feeling of being obligated to play for any period of time just to continue doing so. The alternative means of getting it means spending ~$35 instead of that $11.
Avvy
Doomheim
#338 - 2016-02-16 00:03:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Studley Ramrod wrote:
Skill injection fatigue, just a suggestion....



Those kinds of ideas are too late now.


Still I went from 12.5 million sp to 31 million sp.

But what I found as I'm only training core, frigate, destroyer, and cruiser (combat). Is that the skills I require to train now will take 2 or more sp injectors so I've reached the point where I prefer to keep the isk.



Edit:


Can't see many new players using sp injectors especially when 1 PLEX only get 2 of them.

If that is the case then it's probably even harder for them to get established.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#339 - 2016-02-16 00:32:25 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
But if everyone starts doing it, there will be no injectors to buy after a while since no one will be subbed to be farming it for sale.

SP in the long run will come from alt characters with limited skill requirements, like mining alts or gank alts where the excess SP will be sold to get part of the PLEX costs back. This will make specialized alts free2playish, depending on how much demand there is for such alts and how much for extractors.

I suspect the demand for such alts will be quite high, at least I am planing to unsub all but one account with a general purpose char and create many more free gank accounts which are essentially free now.

Evil RatKid
Jenshae Chiroptera
#340 - 2016-02-16 01:56:08 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
... and create many more free gank accounts which are essentially free now.
Ouch but a good point.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.