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No, because meta continue to have lower fitting costs, and are therefore still extremely useful on tight fits. However yes, if fitting is not an issue, T2 comes out on top, and industrialists across New Eden rejoice.

The real issue is that T1/M0 items remain completely and utterly pointless after tiericide, which is a shame. I know I and many others were hoping that the T1/M0 items would be balanced as a middle-ground option across M0 to M4, with a variety of fitting to benefit trade-offs that let you really tweak and tune a tight or low-skill fit, where no single item in the M0 to M4 range was strictly superior to any other.

But when you have fitting to spare, T2 being across-the-board better is perfectly fine and has worked great for all the modules where that was already true. M4 matching T2 benefits and reduced fitting was an oddball case for a few module types that never made any sense at all, and I'm glad to finally see it done away with.

It could have still been made to be an actually practical fit as well.

I.E.
T1 ECM Strength 100%, Range 100%, Fitting 100% to give relative values.
Meta ECM Strength 110 Range 90% Fitting 90% to give an example, >100% being improvement, under 100% being penalty.
T2 then is 110% across the board or something.

However that is more a debate for the entire module tiericide in general than just ECM. ECM just happened to be one of the module categories where Meta 4 was out of balance and better (or at least equal) than T2 in all aspects. And so people are upset that the long overdue meta 4 nerf has happened.

Sure, however it was an out of balance thing that Meta 4 was better than T2, and was always going to be corrected at some point. Just the tiericide initiative meant it got combined with the other changes at the same time. But the nerf was going to come sooner or later.
People got upset over the Ishtar nerfs as well, but they were needed, so was the correction between Meta 4 & T2.

I'd like to share some Feedback on the Legion ECM line:

Legion ECM Racial Jammer 108m ISK at 3000 ISK/LP
Current prices at 200m a piece; sell orders fluctuating between 100-350m ISK due to the low volume traded.

Falcon 195m ISK
6x Racial Legion ECM at 108m = 648m ISK
(try having 6 of each racial jammers and a mobile depot in the cargo (2.592 bil ISK))
depending on the market situation the price can easily be double.

Advantage compared against T2 modules:
Jam Strength +2,78%
Optimal Range +4.17%
Falloff +4.17%

...

Really not worth the ISK investment and therefore not a valid fitting choice at all in my oppinion.
I understand that any changes to jam strength are being held off by the incoming SeBo changes.
But measures could be taken to make those modules more valid.
A general reduction to range and falloff for the non faction modules for instance will increase performance gap and would probably be very popular.
Another idea would be to drastically reduce the ISK and LP cost for those modules.
Let's say cut the cost down by a factor of 4 and reimburse players owning the modules with an equivalent amount of spare mods.
Analogue adjustments would have to made to the officer variants drop rate and currently existing quantaties.

Maybe some of you might think it's not a priority but im looking at a whole line of faction modules only complete ISK retards buy.
It is worthy to note that the price for Legion ECM mods is coupled to Garmur and Orthrus BPCs and a drop below 3000 ISK/LP rather unlikely as LP Farmers do switch to Faction Warfare mission farming when the price drops.
For all i care nerf them mods too but make them a valid choice, please.

No you want to make ecm better you don't detract from its uniqueness you play to it

1 remove 100% jam chance with ECM there should always be risk of failure

2 don't add eccm to SEBOs add it to ecm modules to act as a stacking penalty.

3 raise base ecm to account for it now being less effective.


What you get is a module that builds on the unique game play ecm brings (never having a green cycle) you increase the need for communication among ecm pilots (another thing unique to ecm when it comes to ewar) and you no longer have mass boobs of ecm Parma jamming fleets.

In my opinion an ECM ship should be hard to get a good tank on while at the same time stay an effective jammer, this in some ways counter the "I can't do **** to you for 20s" by letting you almost instapop the guy when you finally got a lock.

We agree that there should be a trade off. If you want max jams your tank suffers. If you want tank then you fit fewer jammers. ECM is the only EWAR that can't simultaneously fit tank and be effective against any target. That should be fixed. ECM shouldn't take fitting four racial modules to be effective against any target. Just like sensor damps, tracking disruptors, missile disruptors, target painters, neuts, nos, disruptors, and scrams shouldn't take four racial modules to be effective against any target.

The suggestion section of this comment is on to something. It's got team play options, it removes RNG, it goes well with the sebo changes-- This is by far the best solution to the ECM question I've come across. +1

tl:dr they want you to carry 4 sets of ECM and mobile dopot. That is valuable gameplay. As an innabily to engage target in 1v1 as you have wrong module equipped.

Plus, given that sensor boosters will now act as ECCM, a diminution in the amount of commitment wouldn't hurt.