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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#301 - 2016-02-15 17:54:34 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I dont really see the problem.

Until golden ammo it makes no difference how people earn their SP to me.


If, as the defenders of cash for skills claim it is okay because on cannot 'win' Eve, then what would be the problem with gold ammo?

Winning a fight - any fight or fights using gold ammo, does not 'win' Eve as there is no 'win'
Not sure if you understand what 'Gold Ammo' refers to.

It means things you can only buy with RL cash.

Fortunately, at the moment there's nothing in EVE that you can't acquire in-game, including SKINs and SP injectors.


My dear chap, in case you are not aware of this, CCP has introduced cash for skills, precisely to generate more cash for the company.

All else is smoke and mirrors.


We had cash for ISK which translated to cash for character. Character which could be found for pretty much any specialization. Why is specializing in more stuff so damn bad if it's done on a single character but not a big deal if you do it over 3 characters?
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#302 - 2016-02-15 17:55:27 UTC
Yuck...

New EvE tastes funny.

Bring back my EvE Classic, please.

--Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#303 - 2016-02-15 17:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Also why people are blaming CCP that they allow people to do something? People if you dont want this feature, dont use it. No one forcing you to extract or inject. Its your choice, and since when EVE players started to care about who have more SP? RollRoll

Remember you had 50k SP when you started and you played so furiously? Now what? Yoy cry because everyone can have more SP than you? RollRoll

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#304 - 2016-02-15 18:03:05 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I dont really see the problem.

Until golden ammo it makes no difference how people earn their SP to me.


If, as the defenders of cash for skills claim it is okay because on cannot 'win' Eve, then what would be the problem with gold ammo?

Winning a fight - any fight or fights using gold ammo, does not 'win' Eve as there is no 'win'
Not sure if you understand what 'Gold Ammo' refers to.

It means things you can only buy with RL cash.

Fortunately, at the moment there's nothing in EVE that you can't acquire in-game, including SKINs and SP injectors.


My dear chap, in case you are not aware of this, CCP has introduced cash for skills, precisely to generate more cash for the company.

All else is smoke and mirrors.
You're the only one seeing smoke and mirrors.

SP trading is a new functionality that quite obviously generates cash for CCP.

It's also not 'Gold Ammo' as players also have the option to use it without paying CCP.


You're free to not like it, but then you should also be opposed to, say, a single guy/gal having multiple accounts.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#305 - 2016-02-15 18:21:02 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I begin to think that Skill Injectors are a cash grab before CCP sells EVE to Perfect World, EA or some other company that can squeeze out the last blood from a stone.

Yea it makes since. I mean the guys at CCP can't really be this incompetent unless they fully intended on bleeding the last ounce of life out of this game while they still can. Not to mention the Devs silence in those DevBlogs.

Either they are trying to bleed this game out then shut down development of Eve and focus entirely on Valkyrie or it is as you say.

Also the new camera angles remind me of EA typical game effects.


Okay let's real talk here for a minute.

They hired an EA manager because working for EA means you know how to play in the big time.
They might be squeezing blood from a stone right now but to be fair they're mostly capitalising on the people who we affectionately know as whales anyway. Jump in, blow $400 on stuff and then get pwnd and leave. Same cycle just doubled down. It's cynical but that's business.
You're assuming they'd switch off the servers while you still pay $12/month? Really? They'd actively kill $5mil a month for what reason? To be perfectly fair and honest counting for inflation you're paying less for eve year on year and them not raising the sub fee is costing them money - for our benefit only.

Are they switching over to a semi-F2P model to compensate for that last point? Duh. Yes. And WOW has woken up to this as well after raping their customers wallets for $15 a month for 10 years.

The silence from devs you mention is a tactic deliberately employed by companies who do not want to defend their behaviour. Jim Sterling recently pointed this out in one of his videos but I've observed the tactic for many years previously while I beta tested bf2/2142 and lastly WAR for EA. As recently as that failed enterprise they were using the old cold shoulder trick to suffocate dissatisfaction and while it's reprehensible to see CCP now use it I can understand why - because it's effective.

My sub expires in April, when does yours?

I naively bought 6 month sub packages for all my accounts (a $770.00 waste) one week before CCP posted that 2nd skilltrading Devblog which is why I'm so pissed about this (both at myself and CCP). So unfortunately my accounts don't expire until sometime in July, but it will be the last time I pay CCP a single penny.

Nowadays I spend more time whining in the thread then I do playing this wretched game. I'll continue playing this game until my game resources have been exhausted and then it'll be time for me to cut my ties off from Eve forever.
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#306 - 2016-02-15 18:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadget Helmsdottir
Nana Skalski wrote:
Also why people are blaming CCP that they allow people to do something? People if you dont want this feature, dont use it. No one forcing you to extract or inject. Its your choice, and since when EVE players started to care about who have more SP? RollRoll

Remember you had 50k SP when you started and you played so furiously? Now what? Yoy cry because everyone can have more SP than you? RollRoll


I received this in my mail yesterday:


Dear Gadget Helmsdottir,

We regret to inform you that even though you were the inspiration from which this august corporation was created, and while we respect you greatly as an individual, we no longer require your services.

In order for Gadget-Corp to meet its shareholder's expectations, we require our operatives to be well above average in terms of productivity and capability. Due to new technological advances, consideration of our competitors' capabilities, and the expectations of our shareholders, we have increased the minimum skill requirement to be an operative of Gadget-Corp. We are afraid that you no longer meet the bar for these requirements.

Just last week, we have had twelve applicants, that though they may lack a bit of experience, have capabilities well beyond where you currently stand. The lack of experience will be corrected in due time, but we would be remiss in our responsibilities to ignore the potential of the new applicants.

Gadget Helmsdottir, you are hereby informed that your termination date is exactly two months from the issue of this notice. You are expected to train any and all new employees that share your position. Failure to do so will result in loss of the very generous severance package discussed in a further message.

Thank you for being a part of Gadget-Corp's extensive history, and should you take the technological steps to achieve skill parity with the new applicants, please don't hesitate to send us your resume and/or CV. Please understand that past service does not guarantee placement.

Respectfully,
Mirror-Universe Gadget Twisted


Seriously, though.
Watch and see if many corps don't raise their bar for entry to silly levels.
Silly levels for those that gain SP the old-fashioned way, but can be easily gained SP trading.

--Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#307 - 2016-02-15 18:39:53 UTC
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Also why people are blaming CCP that they allow people to do something? People if you dont want this feature, dont use it. No one forcing you to extract or inject. Its your choice, and since when EVE players started to care about who have more SP? RollRoll

Remember you had 50k SP when you started and you played so furiously? Now what? Yoy cry because everyone can have more SP than you? RollRoll


I received this in my mail yesterday:


Dear Gadget Helmsdottir,

We regret to inform you that even though you were the inspiration from which this august corporation was created, and while we respect you greatly as an individual, we no longer require your services.

In order for Gadget-Corp to meet its shareholder's expectations, we require our operatives to be well above average in terms of productivity and capability. Due to new technological advances, consideration of our competitors' capabilities, and the expectations of our shareholders, we have increased the minimum skill requirement to be an operative of Gadget-Corp. We are afraid that you no longer meet the bar for these requirements.

Just last week, we have had twelve applicants, that though they may lack a bit of experience, have capabilities well beyond where you currently stand. The lack of experience will be corrected in due time, but we would be remiss in our responsibilities to ignore the potential of the new applicants.

Gadget Helmsdottir, you are hereby informed that your termination date is exactly two months from the issue of this notice. You are expected to train any and all new employees that share your position. Failure to do so will result in loss of the very generous severance package discussed in a further message.

Thank you for being a part of Gadget-Corp's extensive history, and should you take the technological steps to achieve skill parity with the new applicants, please don't hesitate to send us your resume and/or CV. Please understand that past service does not guarantee placement.

Respectfully,
Mirror-Universe Gadget Twisted


Seriously, though.
Watch and see if many corps don't raise their bar for entry to silly levels.
Silly levels for those that gain SP the old-fashioned way, but can be easily gained SP trading.

--Gadget


You do know how negative sum games work, right?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#308 - 2016-02-15 18:47:03 UTC  |  Edited by: stg slate
It's kind of like all the terrible posts from SA and Reddit got together to troll the EVE boards, and this thread is the Magnum Opus of their labour.

Seriously all we need now is someone to demand a 2010-era time-locked EVE server and someone else to threaten to write their own emulator w/o skill injectors and this thread could be complete.
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#309 - 2016-02-15 18:47:54 UTC
at least you know in reality your 150 mill char is pretty pathetic Big smile and that ita actually going to take you like 40 years and 1.8 trillion isk to finish training!

if i knew that i probably wouldnt of even started.

3 day char fully skilled up... thats the problem right there good move ccp. good move.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#310 - 2016-02-15 18:48:19 UTC
stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#311 - 2016-02-15 18:51:38 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
3 day char fully skilled up... thats the problem right there good move ccp. good move.


A huge problem, I bet he will show up to kill you, specifically you, every day for the rest of the time you play EVE. His skill set will directly impact EVERYONE who plays.
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#312 - 2016-02-15 18:52:15 UTC
im surpriaed ccp jobsworths havent locked this with an excuae to say its ranting like this poor chap got saying the same thing.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=469619&find=unread
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#313 - 2016-02-15 18:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Daniela Doran wrote:

I naively bought 6 month sub packages for all my accounts (a $770.00 waste) one week before CCP posted that 2nd skilltrading Devblog which is why I'm so pissed about this (both at myself and CCP). So unfortunately my accounts don't expire until sometime in July, but it will be the last time I pay CCP a single penny.
Seriously, Daniela.

Every time you post, you have a different lame story as to why you are still here but are leaving real soon.

For you and all the other people no one cares about, just leave and get it over with for Christ's sake. If angst were contagious this forum would be in quarantine.

Mr Epeen Cool
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#314 - 2016-02-15 18:53:49 UTC
stg slate wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
3 day char fully skilled up... thats the problem right there good move ccp. good move.


A huge problem, I bet he will show up to kill you, specifically you, every day for the rest of the time you play EVE. His skill set will directly impact EVERYONE who plays.


wow what a terrible response. but meh this is eve its expected
stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#315 - 2016-02-15 18:53:55 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
im surpriaed ccp jobsworths havent locked this with an excuae to say its ranting like this poor chap got saying the same thing.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=469619&find=unread


They tend to leave a few ranting threads open on hot button topics; we tend to see locks when people post duplicates tbh.
stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#316 - 2016-02-15 18:55:24 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:

I naively bought 6 month sub packages for all my accounts (a $770.00 waste) one week before CCP posted that 2nd skilltrading Devblog which is why I'm so pissed about this (both at myself and CCP). So unfortunately my accounts don't expire until sometime in July, but it will be the last time I pay CCP a single penny.

Nowadays I spend more time whining in the thread then I do playing this wretched game. I'll continue playing this game until my game resources have been exhausted and then it'll be time for me to cut my ties off from Eve forever.


If you petition they will totally refund you and close the accounts, or refund you the difference of what you've paid/played. Their billing support is really pretty awesome to deal with.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#317 - 2016-02-15 18:55:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
ImYourMom wrote:
im surpriaed ccp jobsworths havent locked this with an excuae to say its ranting like this poor chap got saying the same thing.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=469619&find=unread

Euthanasia by SP extracting, you can blame only yourself in that case.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#318 - 2016-02-15 18:56:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I sincerely hope that the max skill set is some sort of hoax.

Not that I blame the player if this is indeed true; he only did what CCP, in effect, invited players to do.

CCP have opened Pandora's Box, but so long as the cash rolls in, they will not care.
... and this is a darn good reason why I won't be giving them any more RL $.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#319 - 2016-02-15 19:10:58 UTC
and when pandora in her curiosity opened the box she found it was full of mad stacks of phat cash and she became hella rich and bought a yacht

and pandora and the yacht lived happily ever after **** the haters

the moral of the story is that money depreciates in value if not invested
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#320 - 2016-02-15 19:13:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I sincerely hope that the max skill set is some sort of hoax.

Not that I blame the player if this is indeed true; he only did what CCP, in effect, invited players to do.

CCP have opened Pandora's Box, but so long as the cash rolls in, they will not care.
... and this is a darn good reason while I won't be giving them any more RL $.


You go girl. Show them.

But what do you want to show them? That allowing someone to use SP injector is bad? Or that using injectors is bad?

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