EVE General Discussion

What if there were no warp scramblers or disruptors?

It seems to me you'd have vastly fewer kills. Anyone losing a fight would flee; neither hardcore PVP nor hardcore carebear would stick it out to the bitter end. PVP would be less about unfair, one sided ambushes... which to me seems to be almost the entirety of it. You'd have to use bait and tricks to win. And the game would have to encourage players to choose to fight - avoiding cookie cutter fits and single purpose ships.

Preventing players from fleeing is generally bad game design. It is a simple, hard counter, neither tactical nor strategic. You make almost no sacrifices to fit it. There's no point in trying to fit around it. The modules offer no value in other situations, making them boring.

It's odd to think about how much thought went into strategy and tactics; generally, the game is quite shallow overall. PVE encounters lack any kind of dynamic configuration - the enemies are static strategy (resists, damage) and even static position and composition. Much like this could really use a boost, it seems like PVP could also benefit from a change.

Let's think about it in general - to be out in space, vast, unknown... and the cops show up? It seems rather I should have a reason to be there, to stay out in space. And by staying there, I get benefits and incur risks. I fight NPC pirates - their loot is in space. If I flee, I lose the loot. If I want my loot, I fight to defend it. Imagine building a ship in space; perhaps with a minigame like hacking where you Tetris parts together using your construction ship. If you flee, your parts are stolen. If you want your assembly, you defend it. Mining? It goes into a can. If you flee, your ore is taken. If you want your ore, you defend it.

This seems more inline with the intended play style of the game. Pirates actually steal things not by blowing up helpless transports but by raiding. Nothing happens - save perhaps the market - in the safety of stations. In return for more dynamic play, restraints must be removed. People cannot be stopped fleeing. Godlike space police cannot show up to kill pirates in moments. Encounters cannot be canned.

I admit this is too much change for anyone to entertain. I believe it would be good change though. The spirit of the thought is some simple principles;

1) Choice over force
2) Risk versus reward
3) Dynamic over static

There's so much room to make a better game here. With all the baggage this game has, perhaps someone else will rise to the occasion. It seems unlikely EVE would be allowed to.

Move out of high sec. Instant change.

What if their was no ships ...discuss

Meh. In a game composed of winning by numbers, there's little incentive to go alone.

I spend a lot of time in null, low, and wh... boring. Watch dscan. Cloak. Flee.

Wouldn't you like more?

Just about the best in game system now is exploration.

Here, you are distracted, hanging in space. Providing content for others. Earning a risk versus reward with even a jackpot payoff, too.

This actually works. Even with scram, though the fight bit is a little sad.

How about this? If you chase a guy who has hacked a can out of a site, it despawns and you get a bounty from the organization owning it? Say, 50% the market value of the remaining cans?

A guy is in a mission. You chase him off? It despawns and you get - immediately - half the remaining value of the ships there.

Even chasing would be better than lockdown.

So basically, you've just devised a way for me to grab half the value of a mission as quickly as I can accept them on my alt.

Sounds pretty awesome.

By awesome, I mean "********".

Maybe you should give us some background on your experience in Eve PvP, OP. I suspect it is vanishingly little, and your opinions are predicated on a general lack of knowledge.

How does this apply to haulers? Get caught, run away and fly a different route. Or log off for an hour and try again later. Not much of a loss.
Miners? Just try another belt/another system.
Ratters? Just try another anomaly.

Even worse: What about "Pirates" - people who are out and about harassing Ratters and Miners? They'd not risk anything doing so. Attack someone and either kill him or run away.

Also - to be in range of a warp disruptor is a consequence of a choice already. You decide to jump through a gate without a scout, you decide to be out in a slow ship during a war, you decide not to watch your directional scanner for combat probes...

Once you are within 24km of someone who is out to kill you, you should not be able to just run away anymore. (although you still might be able to - ECM, Damps, Neuts, plain old speed - warp disruptors can be countered. Being able to do so is also a choice).

If you get pointed and killed, it's almost always because you messed up somewhere. It's all about choices.

well, i guess, it's safe to assume that CCP will never hire you.

this is a game about ship explosion, majority of people play this game because of ship explosion. limiting ship explosion in this game doesn't compute. if your "feature" and "brilliant ideas" are not about more ship explosions, then sorry, your "game design" is not for EVE, and as i've said earlier, you're drunk, go home.

based on your kb, well, we can see where you are coming from. exploding is normal dude, suck it up.