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UHG, fine. But I'm not gonna bother with overlay text and graphics etc so try to follow along CCP.

VIDEO

OK, at the opening of the video up till time 0:10
all seems fine. I'm actually ok with where the zoom speed and drift from moving the camera is at this stage. It doesn't feel as "connected" with my inputs as the old camera but I can get used to it. (EDIT: Just want to add, even though the input lag is slight and I can deal with it I can see how others may not be able to do so. When you start experiencing this lag it begins a chain of signals sent to the brain that things aren't behaving in quite the right way. You then begin to build and compound upon that effect when you start experiencing the things I point out later in this post.)

0:12 I use the current shortcut key "C" to point the tracking camera at an object selected on the overview.

0:16 by this time the camera has shifted the view of my ship completely out of my line of sight. (that's not a good thing just in case you were wondering)

0:20 I click on drag on the screen to manually point the camera just as I would if I was in a fight and trying to get a look around me. (don't want to go bumping into stations or asteroids while I'm kiting around in my little slicer now do I)
Notice what the camera does. It doesn't just smoothly rotate from where I'm currently looking, instead it snaps around 180 degree's and zooms WAAAYYY out on my ship. Not very helpfull for maintaining situational awareness now is it. In fact at first I have no idea what I'm even looking at or where my ship even went.

0:30 I use the tracking camera a few more times further demonstrating how my ship is just constantly awol.

0:40 once again I attemp to manually adjust the camera and boom, I'm out at max zoom facing some random direction again.

It should also be noted that during warp the camera shift is equally problematic. Moving my camera all over the place in ways I have no desire for it to do so.

The way the camera snaps around spinning 180 degrees and then drifting the ship in and out of view is a big part of the nausea problem. It's like reading a book while riding in a car and getting car sick. When your eye's, inner ear and intentional body movements send inputs to your brain that don't align it causes motion sickness.

With this new camera, the camera (a view point that you are accustomed to being your eye's in space) is moving around in all sorts of ways that do not correlate to what your hands are telling it to do on your keyboard and mouse, nor what you brain is telling you that it should be doing based on predictable response to input and environment. The physiological response to that situation is vertigo/motion sickness/nausea.

Does that spell things out clearly enough?

Edit; Sorry with all the nausea explanation I forgot to point out...
IT RUINS YOUR SENSE OF LOCATION AND SITUATIONAL AWARENESS!.

Maybe you should have bold text ... I'm not sure they get it. This is the first time I've actually felt disappointment towards CCP. Perhaps it was inevitable? I love Eve and the people I've met along the way.

Thanks for making your video - hopefully they get it.

Thanks for posting this. The dodgy movement really needs to be highlighted as a problem.
Hopefully this kinda hits the problem home for them.

Um, yeah. The new camera is ****.

Leave the option in to use both and everyone will be happy. Happy customers, happy subs.

Some reasons I don't use the new camera

• D-Scan is harder to use - lost functionality
• C must be held down to use the tracking camera. Every. Single. Time.
• The Fishbowl effect - most pronounced when warping
• Camera inertia - literally worthless
• The tactical grid camera's pivot point is nigh impossible to manipulate, making it largely useless for subcaps
• First person is cool, but has no practical value
• FOV sliding. RIP my sense of distance. RIP my ability to make minor adjustments on the fly

Many of the changes are cool for movie makers, and clunky for everyone else. Clunky means poor design

A million times this - CCP please reflect on what we are telling you, these are good messages, try it out for yourself to understand better - we are speaking the truth here and this is relevant and matters a lot to play the game.

Perhaps you can join RvB to learn since its high sec & accessible, they used to have engagements all the time where two fleets warp to each other and brawl, when you are in a middle of a blob of ships it is very important to have a camera that is centered on your ship (so you can see where you are going to) and use tracking (one click) followed by double clicking in space (to change where your ship is pointed to) in order to fly manually towards or in directions relative to others depending on what you want to do.

This is a good enough approximation to what happens when you are in fleet fights and again have to quickly understand where everything is while manually flying your ship. If you are heading in direction A and you see some target is to the left of you (because you click it and the camera, while remaining centered on your ship, is now pointing to the left automatically), you can then quickly adjust your direction relative to the target (by double clicking in space around your ship) while at the same time keeping tabs on where your ship is pointed to since it remains in the center of your screen. Note all of this is performed with the mouse and requires 3 clicks, a single click to point the auto track camera and a double click to move your ship, this while leaving your non mouse hand to work on speed, modules, etc.

You can also use tactical view to perform this from a more zoomed out perspective, but these are two good ways of flying that work, why take away one for no reason or replace it with menus and keybinds that even if they worked would be a worse solution?

RvB is high sec and you can easily make an alt to join and learn, inject some skills points and do a few frigate brawls to understand. We are not crazy although we are certainly desperate with this 1 month warning - this new camera may be awesome for videos and we understand you put a lot of work into it but for flying it simply doesn't work, the last thing we need is even more things to make EVE hard to play on top of an already complex UI/control model that you guys invented, we do our best to lean to use it effectively with the tools you give us that work, don't take them away or make them worse.

Stop trying to fix things that aren't broken.

I'm so sad that auto-tracking is not available for the new camera mode!!! Everything else about it is so shiny! Unfortunately, not having the option of auto-tracking makes it unusable for anything else than cinematic purposes...

"we now have three different in-space cameras instead of the one before:"

And as long as one of them does the same thing as the one I have now, we won't have a problem. But if I'm being forced to use something I didn't ask for (ie Captain's Quarters all over again) I won't be sticking around.

Could we pretty please have the max zoom out level be configurable or at least the same as what we had with the old camera? The max zoom out level of the new camera is about 300km radius but the old camera was around 900km radius (those were taken on the same screen/resolution). Yes I know that I can zoom out, detach the camera, then zoom out some more... but a) I don't want to have to detach the camera and b) after you detach the camera there's no option to keep my ship or any other object the center of the camera rotation. If we could just be able to zoom out a bit further in the normal tactical camera that'd be swell. You could even make it configurable in the display and graphic settings if you'd like.

If I'm missing some magic button to help me please let me know :)

Thanks