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Another downside of the new camera
- with the new camera we can not set custom position for tracking objects

Every pilot create own windows arrangement and sometimes we need to offset camera AND MOVE tracking position from the center to ensure constant visibility of tracking object.
Ideally, I need ability to set camera offset for both axes (X, Y) and i want to choose between center and custom tracking position.
And if I have already started talking about offsets. Pls make an option in game menu to apply camera offset only for ship in space. I don't need camera offset for fullscreen maps.

So I was warping around today and the nausea thing people are talking about seems like some sort of bug. What happens or at least what seemed to happen to me earlier was after landing out of warp all of space seemed to stretch. Plants looked like ovals instead of round. When you pan the camera it looked sorta like a focal point in the center then things on the sides stretched in a way that made you dizzy. After a couple session changes it fixed it self and that stretch effect seemed to go away.

Holy ****. I didn't even see that.

CCP, listen very carefully now:

You CANNOT remove the option for the old, working camera without having fully and completely recreated every last aspect of it in your new system. All of it. No exception. No “kind of the same, but…”, and definitely no “it's better now because…”.

It must have every singe option and functionality that the old camera has: the direct and precise movement; the simple look-at and tracking functionality; the ability to track warps; the ability to simply rclick-unhook the camera from its current direction and then have it immediately snap back; always focusing on your ship etc etc etc. All the things people have been telling you for ages now.

If you remove it, there are no two ways about it and no delicate way of saying it: you are stupid. You are incompetent. You are not actually listening to the wave of feedback you're getting, and any attempt at claiming otherwise is a lie. Stop it. Step back, swallow your pride, stop blubbering, and give your customers the one thing they're asking for: a properly working camera. Remember what happens every time you have an “awesome” idea that doesn't work in practice, and realise that this is one of those moments. Again.

Jesus ******* christ. Why does this keep happening?! How are you so incapable of learning such a ridiculously simple lesson?! WTF is wrong with you?

It is the inertial that makes you nauseous, do you even listen to what people write? Just get rid of that god damn inertial when you zoom or pan or move the camera and it will be alright. You already realized your mistake in the new map, where, after months of beating your thick heads, you removed the zoom/panning inertial. Now do the same right now and don't make us players waste the same amount of time running after your teams with clubs.

Amendment: No, increasing the camera speed to max does not make matters noticeably better. With max speed, the camera bobs around when you move it, it is unresponsive and the inertial is still there when you zoom, but gone when you pan. The only thing that makes it slightly better is putting camera speed to max and uncheck Offset Ship Speed, but leaving the speed at default and only unchecking OSS does not remove the inertial. Using extreme settings just to get rid of the most annoying display feature in any UI can't be the solution! The inertial is -- even despite unchecking OSS and setting speed to max -- is also not removed when you track an object (in addition to moving your ship out of the visible screen space).

Small anecdote to underline my point: Back in the days, when CCP Soundwave declared war on loading bars and people complained about nausea caused by the new gate jump effect, I laughed at them because I did not feel a thing. Now, however, when I undocked a ship from a station (without OSS unchecked and default camera speed), I felt a sting in my head because the camera was slinging around like it was in a goo.

much better thank you.

however if the tracking is initiated after the "warping" commences but while the ship is still in grid it will not track,
effectively anything smaller than a cruiser will remain nigh impossible to track.

still going to have this turned off and hold onto my whisky until it is as functional as the old one.

im not that bothered by c to track, it means i now have to make a decision to track something but i should be allowed to track anything on grid (regardless of its state) if im quick enough to do it.

frigs and desies are already damn hard to do this with, why mechanically stop us from doing so if we can? readacted

Liked, and not empty quoting.

What we really want to know is are you going to give us the tracking camera back as that is the main game breaker for most of us?

Ok now just gives back the old tracking camera and fix the lag when panning the camera and we'll nearly be at a camera that is fit for use or you could just let us keep the old camera as a fourth mode along the three new modes.

Seriously CCP how many people do you need to tell you that new camera is just not as good as the old one.

Any chance that Combat Anomalies could be tracked from the on board scanner? Otherwise the feature is kind of useless.

Most of this has already been said before, but since you asked for feedback...

I am really not a fan of the new camera. It is not intuitive, it is fiddly, and it seems to have a mind of its own.

I much prefer the more linear zoom of the old vs the new. I would like a slider to adjust this if possible.

In the old camera you could zoom in quite close by default. With the new camera you stop further back from the object you are looking at, then you have to use ALT Zoom to get in closer. Why?

By setting the speed of the new camera to around 2.5x I could get it to feel somewhat like the old one when left click panning.

The dynamic field of view is hit and miss. Sometimes it gives you a cinematic experience that looks cool, other times big objects you pass by or rotate around seem to be thrown disjointedly across your screen. I turned it off.

With the old Camera if I click "look at" on an object, then pan my view around - it stays at the angle and zoom I set it at. The new camera swings and floats out and sometimes offsets, and sometimes goes into follow mode. It doesn't seem to like doing what it is told.

I am pleased that tracking a warping ship works again. I used that all the time with the old camera.

I prefer how when you track an object in the old camera it overlays / lines up with the ship. The new camera shows your ship sitting at an offset. I find it odd for short angle D-Scan.

Turning on tracking via the HUD in the old Camera works so much better. You could then just click on objects in space or via the overview and have your camera view swing around and align on it. I can use C - Select now, but it seems to be an unnecessary extra button to press.

With the new camera, if you are trying to click on an object in space to track or ALT-Select, and miss, it jarringly jumps back to your own ship.

You really should put all the keyboard shortcuts available in the tool tips on the camera HUD icons. To have it work you need to use keyboard shortcuts which you have to go find for yourself.

To be honest I don't want more sliders and tick boxes available so that I can - if I spend an hour or so going through all the options, end up with a camera view something like the old one. I would much prefer a 4th Camera icon on the HUD that gives me as near on as possible the exact experience of the old camera. I can then use the other icons when I want.