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What you trianed for is a carrier. Up to 4 carrier in fact and if you trained for them, you will be able to fly them. No ship that you were ever able to fly will become unavailable to be flown by you when citadels hit unless you put your SP elsewhere.

If you have any example of any SHIPS you can fly and won't be able to when the patch hit, then list it. Beside that, anything else you are asking for is skill to fly a ship you could not fly before and that is something CCP don't have to grant you.

CCP said they would adequately address these issues regarding skills at eve vegas. And everytime similar issues came up in the past they have always done that. I still think they will but if this goes through with this alone, then its clear something has changed. I think it is wild speculation to blame the guy who came from EA so lets just wait to see if ccp is going to address some of the many inequities clearly identified. They include:

1)Cost of skill books

2) Other skills which are clearly related to how carriers and super carriers currently work such as fighters, fighter bombers, capital remote repair cap energy transfers and tactical logi reconfig etc. (but on this issue the op does say "There'll be a dev-blog going into more details about our transition plans for Carriers, Force Auxiliaries and a bunch of other stuff, coming out later this week.")

3) Either explain why someone should have to train tactical logistical reconfiguration before they are refunded their carrier sp, or no longer keep that requirement in order to get a refund.

There may be some technical issues with some of these so it may not be possible for ccp to tell us exactly how it will shake out but they should at least give us a tip off that they are going to revisit these issues (and others? I may have missed some.)as per their representations at eve vegas that the players who trained these skills would be treated fairly.

edit: Frosty you are going backwards on this. CCP already acknowledged that their drastic cap changes would warrant some compensation for players who trained carriers. The debate is really just *how* insufficient this proposal in the op is, not whether it is in fact sufficient. CCP has a great track record of treating its players right when it comes to avoiding screwing them out of their sp. If nothing else were done this would be a large departure from their prior history.

It is really upsetting to see a blatant cash grab like this.

Certainly grandfathering us into these skills is a poor idea (screws over newbros who don't have the skills) but hot damn, it really is not in line with other capitals for us to train this much to simply get to the point carrier pilots were at before... the multipliers on the proposed skills are ridiculously high. You're telling me I have to train 3 14x skills to get to the same point I've barely reached? plus another 14x skill per race? Plus another 500m for the privilege of getting to choose what I can fly PER RACE?

This announcement coinciding with the release of extractors/injectors (and the intentionally poor aurum pricing to make us pay even more for them) really makes me think CCP doesn't give a damn about "eve forever" and is just after a quick buck. Feel free to prove me wrong.

I disagree with this. If I had fighters trained to IV, I would like to have all the fighter skills at IV - and if I had Amarr Carrier IV and Gallente Carrier III I would like to get Amarr FAX IV and Gallente FAX III please. Same as you did a few years ago with Scout drones -> light drones / medium drones.

At this point it is a pretty safe assumption that you will not have both FAX 5 and Carrier 5 without training both. I agree with the general sentiment that this is a bad business practice, BUT...I think there may be a solution that could make both sides happy.

Essentially, take the current Carrier 5 bonuses and make them a hull bonus on the new ship. That way, even if a person chose to have FAX 1 and Carrier 1 they would lose no relative power from today. Since the ships are being split, I think most people are hoping for some new mechanics/powers to make the split interesting. This new mechanic could then be affected by the skill bonus instead.

Another similar idea is to make the ship bonuses relatively minor (similar to what they did to Drone Interfacing). For example, instead of a bonus being 10% per level, make them 5% per level. Then make sure that FAX 4 and Carrier 4 are each at the same relative power that Carrier 5 is today. There is a 5% power creep due to this idea, but I feel that is relatively minor.

I'm fine with having new skills to train.

My Problem with all this is only, that CCP wants me to decide, which FAX I train now, without telling me, what the FAX's stats will look like. If I start training a FAX to 5 now, I'll be ready when the patch goes live. But I dont know what racial skill to train up ...

So everyone called you out, CCP. They laid out arguments, all maths and ****. And why haven't you fix this **** already?

You're also ignoring the specifics of the carrier changes, where you won't be able to be a "perfect DPS carrier pilot" because they're adding player skill into the equation: how good you are at managing your launches, returns, and refittings.

They watched too many World War 2 movies and want carrier pilots to be caught "with their pants down" like in those movies - having bombers in the air instead of defense fighters, or having all their fighters away on attack when the enemy planes arrive.

Think of it through the filter of "how CCP balances ships", the only way they believe they can achieve this "pants down" is to balance the new carriers so you're always at a disadvantage even with all skills 5. Thus, you won't be a "perfect" pilot.

Nice cash grab CCP!

Still betting on pink slips.

Carrier and Force Auxiliary skills should cost just 10x instead of 14x. Even at 10x, they will still be more skill-intensive than Dreadnoughts with all their important support skills. Making them only 10x will greatly reduce the retraining burden for pilots who had previously had training for both fighters and triage, and now will not have it.

edit: I see the previous post. Just wanted to make sure my idea is heard.