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Dev blog: Skill trading in New Eden

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Memphis Baas
#1941 - 2016-02-07 00:58:53 UTC
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Still well enough affordable for T3 pilots to keep an injector or two with their med clones.


It's priced perfectly, from a business cash grab (let's use the forum vernacular) point of view: just under the "screw this crap" affordability point.

They missed the mark with the SKINs; hopefully they'll compare the sales numbers from this vs. from SKINs and adjust the SKINs (downward, and a lot). Clothing / outfits, too.


Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1942 - 2016-02-07 05:31:46 UTC
This is hilarious, yep.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

BearStrikesBack
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1943 - 2016-02-07 07:46:27 UTC
Can someone (preferably who tested it on test server) clarify one thing: Assume I have 79KK trained SP. I consume 3 injectors, which gives me about 1kk free SP (300k per item). I don't allocate free SP, still having 79kk SP trained and about 1kk free.

So, the question is very simple - how much would I get from the 4th injector? 300 (as I have 79kk SP trained) or 150 (as I have 79+1 total SP)?
Tau Phoenix
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#1944 - 2016-02-07 10:58:04 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:
Now this turd is going live, remember what it said at the bottom of the original blog.

Oh, and one last note on the Bazaar, it won't go anywhere for now

Why let folks give whole toons away for a measly 2 plex when we can ream them dry on 500k packets Roll


They say you can't polish a turd but you really can...of course, that means you just end up with a shiny turd....




No. You Can't polish a Turd! But you can roll it in GlitterShocked.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1945 - 2016-02-07 11:09:46 UTC
Tau Phoenix wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:
Now this turd is going live, remember what it said at the bottom of the original blog.

Oh, and one last note on the Bazaar, it won't go anywhere for now

Why let folks give whole toons away for a measly 2 plex when we can ream them dry on 500k packets Roll


They say you can't polish a turd but you really can...of course, that means you just end up with a shiny turd....




No. You Can't polish a Turd! But you can roll it in GlitterShocked.


The y could name the next developer to join CCP Truffle....and just not tell them why :D
Josef Djugashvilis
#1946 - 2016-02-07 12:07:19 UTC
There seems to be a trend by some of those who say that cash for skills is more or less the same thing as the Character Bazaar.

Let me clear that up for you.

The Character Bazaar was implemented by CCP as a means to reduce the 'game illegal' buying and selling of characters on various websites. The logic was that the Character Bazaar controlled by CCP would both reduce this (primary purpose) and provide an income stream for CCP - a by-product of the primary purpose.

Cash for skills has been introduced by CCP, allegedly to help new players, (yeah right,) given that the new player would have to effectively pay more real life cash to avail themselves of this feature.

In reality, two groups will benefit by the introduction of cash for skills, CCP (primary purpose) and in-game wealthy veterans.

A money grab is a money grab - no amount of pretending that it is for the new players can cover this up.

This is not a signature.

Shova'k
The Bank Of Jita
#1947 - 2016-02-07 13:20:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Shova'k
Tau Phoenix wrote:
No. You Can't polish a Turd! But you can roll it in GlitterShocked.


actually you can mythbusters proved turds can be polished much like this pile of crap system :P
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1948 - 2016-02-07 14:52:12 UTC
Shova'k wrote:
Tau Phoenix wrote:
No. You Can't polish a Turd! But you can roll it in GlitterShocked.


actually you can mythbusters proved turds can be polished much like this pile of crap system :P


So mythbusters proved me right, you just end up with a shiny turd :D
Memphis Baas
#1949 - 2016-02-07 14:59:51 UTC
BearStrikesBack wrote:
Can someone (preferably who tested it on test server) clarify one thing: Assume I have 79KK trained SP. I consume 3 injectors, which gives me about 1kk free SP (300k per item). I don't allocate free SP, still having 79kk SP trained and about 1kk free.

So, the question is very simple - how much would I get from the 4th injector? 300 (as I have 79kk SP trained) or 150 (as I have 79+1 total SP)?


First, please use mil or mio instead of kk, because a thousand thousands is a million.

Second, currently, on the test server, unallocated points don't count towards the limit (80 million), but a CCP dev has said they are fixing that by Tuesday as it's not intended.

If you have 79.000 million and add 3 injectors of 300k each, that's 79.900 million, so you're still under the limit for the fourth. Now, it would make sense that the fourth injector checks what you HAVE and gives you 300k because you're under the limit, but I don't know what CCP is actually doing.

It's only a 2 day wait, just wait for it, and then ask again, give people a chance to see what CCP actually implements on the live servers. It's not set in stone until then.
Tau Phoenix
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#1950 - 2016-02-07 15:34:29 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Shova'k wrote:
Tau Phoenix wrote:
No. You Can't polish a Turd! But you can roll it in GlitterShocked.


actually you can mythbusters proved turds can be polished much like this pile of crap system :P


So mythbusters proved me right, you just end up with a shiny turd :D


I stand corrected. You can polish a Turd:

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/polishing-a-turd-minimyth/
BearStrikesBack
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1951 - 2016-02-07 15:40:41 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
BearStrikesBack wrote:
Can someone (preferably who tested it on test server) clarify one thing: Assume I have 79KK trained SP. I consume 3 injectors, which gives me about 1kk free SP (300k per item). I don't allocate free SP, still having 79kk SP trained and about 1kk free.

So, the question is very simple - how much would I get from the 4th injector? 300 (as I have 79kk SP trained) or 150 (as I have 79+1 total SP)?


First, please use mil or mio instead of kk, because a thousand thousands is a million.

Second, currently, on the test server, unallocated points don't count towards the limit (80 million), but a CCP dev has said they are fixing that by Tuesday as it's not intended.

If you have 79.000 million and add 3 injectors of 300k each, that's 79.900 million, so you're still under the limit for the fourth. Now, it would make sense that the fourth injector checks what you HAVE and gives you 300k because you're under the limit, but I don't know what CCP is actually doing.

It's only a 2 day wait, just wait for it, and then ask again, give people a chance to see what CCP actually implements on the live servers. It's not set in stone until then.


Unallocated SP curently counts on the test server. Tested today. If you have 79 trained and 1 unallocated, it is counts as 80 total, leaving you with only 150k per injector.

The only SP range where AUR-bought SPs can compete (by price) with character bazaar is 0-5m SP character range. LolLolLol
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#1952 - 2016-02-07 20:52:41 UTC
So you get 3 extractors for a converted PLEX with about 500 left over

That's ok you can always convert the leftovers into to a 500 Aurum Token and sell it on the Market
Annia Aurel
J-CORP
Goonswarm Federation
#1953 - 2016-02-07 21:20:19 UTC
Iowa Banshee wrote:
So you get 3 extractors for a converted PLEX with about 500 left over

That's ok you can always convert the leftovers into to a 500 Aurum Token and sell it on the Market


No, you can't.
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#1954 - 2016-02-07 21:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Iowa Banshee
Annia Aurel wrote:
Iowa Banshee wrote:
So you get 3 extractors for a converted PLEX with about 500 left over

That's ok you can always convert the leftovers into to a 500 Aurum Token and sell it on the Market


No, you can't.


Your right, you can't - but you can round up your 3500 to 4000 --> buy some of the 500 Aurum tokens I've been buying since last April -Goldmine Lol
Soltys
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1955 - 2016-02-07 23:22:46 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Still well enough affordable for T3 pilots to keep an injector or two with their med clones.


It's priced perfectly, from a business cash grab (let's use the forum vernacular) point of view: just under the "screw this crap" affordability point.

They missed the mark with the SKINs; hopefully they'll compare the sales numbers from this vs. from SKINs and adjust the SKINs (downward, and a lot). Clothing / outfits, too.



Well, the concept of "less is more" seems to be uncomprehensible to CCP at this point. Gate prices rarely work well. 3.5 extractors per 1 plex (or 0.9 per 5$ for those prefering direct cash approach) is exactly that, and it's positioned at the extreme end of desperation (of both players' and CCP's). It's not even enough to extract what 1 character can farm in 1 plex of subscription time.

Thank goodness the person that "designed" this pricing wasn't responsible for bazaar (or if that's not the case, said person had more sanity back then). Otherwise 20 plexes transfer fee for 35m sp character would be the standard today (mapping this pricing directly onto bazaar).

Perhaps they should hire some people from Steam/GoG instead of EA.

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Zozoll Neblyn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1956 - 2016-02-08 00:29:37 UTC

If they charged less, it would unbalance the game more. That's why WoW is no fun to play. There is no point if you don't want to pay for the upgrades.


Under this new system, if I wanted to pay2win my way to enough extractors to make a real difference, I'd need to go find myself a better job.

And if this game somehow gives me the motivation to go find a better job, I'm not sure whether I should resent CCP...... or thank them?
Nuclear Nut Zack
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1957 - 2016-02-08 00:44:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nuclear Nut Zack
I really hope CCP notices all the outrage about the pricing and fixes it before release or there will be trouble down the road. These prices hurt everyone. They hurt buyers who have to foot the bill, sellers who won't be able to get a decent price for their SP due to lack of demand, CCP who won't sell nearly as many extractors, and the people who say the mechanic shouldn't exist because it still will.
If these prices don't change I predict an initial surge of people trying to sell useless SP and others buying it. But it won't take long for the buyers to run low and force the price down till the SP itself is only valued at 15-25% of what it cost to train. That will screw over the sellers, which will obviously make them unhappy, while still keeping the total price far above what the SP costs to train, significantly limiting buyers and making them unhappy too.
Even worse, once the extractors have been launched with a certain price it can't really be lowered without offending everyone who bought any up to that point.

I propose changing the pricing to 120 individually, 450 for 4, 900 for 9, and 3500 for 35 or 36. That would eliminate most of the rage over the price as well as the rage over the "hotdog bun" mismatch. It would allow buyers to pay a reasonable price for injectors while sellers get a reasonable value for their SP and CCP get more revenue after the initial surge because people would actually continue to use the feature. It would also help keep players happy because they won't be seeing a 50-75% tax every time they look at injector prices. The only losers in that situation are the people who don't want the feature to exist.


TL;DR: CCP please reconsider the pricing and change it to about 100 per extractor in packages that align with Aurum packages. And please do it before launch lest people get screwed over and hate you.
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#1958 - 2016-02-08 03:21:58 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
There seems to be a trend by some of those who say that cash for skills is more or less the same thing as the Character Bazaar.

Let me clear that up for you.

The Character Bazaar was implemented by CCP as a means to reduce the 'game illegal' buying and selling of characters on various websites. The logic was that the Character Bazaar controlled by CCP would both reduce this (primary purpose) and provide an income stream for CCP - a by-product of the primary purpose.

Cash for skills has been introduced by CCP, allegedly to help new players, (yeah right,) given that the new player would have to effectively pay more real life cash to avail themselves of this feature.

In reality, two groups will benefit by the introduction of cash for skills, CCP (primary purpose) and in-game wealthy veterans.

A money grab is a money grab - no amount of pretending that it is for the new players can cover this up.

Thing is, this change is trully pointed a new players only. This is a bad trade for older dudes, also noone except nubs would go into spending RL cash for this game particullary atm. Lol
But clearly as hell noone will spend for this a second time. or at least not so many to make a difference for realz. Like i said many times before: the Aurum project belongs to a such high ranked guy that they *must* implement it and make it succesfull. Or at least pretend it was a succes. Else some will learn really quick that they can get a job at McDonalds in case **** hits the fan.Lol
Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#1959 - 2016-02-08 03:53:37 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
Else some will learn really quick that they can get a job at McDonalds in case **** hits the fan.Lol


Iceland doesn't have McDonalds anymore...
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#1960 - 2016-02-08 04:05:18 UTC
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
Else some will learn really quick that they can get a job at McDonalds in case **** hits the fan.Lol


Iceland doesn't have McDonalds anymore...

Now this is sad. But i'm shure they will find something.