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He may buy a character with "warts," he may not and buy a clean one instead, and it's up to him to decide how much those matter. It's in no way a consistent consequence as naysayers like yourself like to argue. And you can bet many players are buying characters selected to ensure that the "warts" don't interfere with their intended function for that character.

What we have is a system that already allows pure gain because not everyone has the same values when it comes to a character. If everyone thought like I did about building a character the Bazaar wouldn't exist. And I have no doubt that others fall on the opposite side of the spectrum with characters being simply tools rather than identities, and no amount of warts on a hammer affect how well it works on nails so long as the head is intact.

All that's really being argued with that logic is that people who do care about character identities need to not have similar functions available to them that those who don't have the same attachments have.

And? What's the issue here? Even if both players didn't use injectors what reason is there to believe they'd be equal? What if player A decided to train up weapons instead of the base ship while player B went down some non-ship industry related skills and player C cross trained because he thought the [insert ship here] looked cool? Now none of them are equally effective.

And further how does any of that help players A, B and C when the come into competition with players X, Y, and Z who have been here longer and have an even more varied and divergent skillset?

SP is not an enforcer of fairness. It never has been. It's a means of granting chosen advantages over other players who haven't chosen those same advantages. The direct result of that is what we have now, where players don't have the same EHP, DPS, speed or access to ships as others.

If the rich can manipulate players who don't understand the game it's no different than anyone else doing the same, and we should all know we exploit a lack of knowledge on another players part already. What I'd personally love though is that the idea of "player is x old and thus this fight will be fair/easy" to die. That kills this supposed doom scenario right from the beginning.

Do we have an official price for skill extractors yet?

This is really the only worthwhile piece of information CCP can give us at this point...

Any information regarding price of extractor in AUR store?

You're on one side and others are on the other side. It's one position or the other. It either is or it isn't. You can't dispute the logic, so you call me a troll?

In any issue, you as a supporter will call the opponent a whiner. If by some chance a change goes against you, you complain about the whiners always getting their way. It's always going to be about you and what you want. Everyone else is wrong.

Skill trading is already active on Sisi. Extractors are available in the exchange in packs of 1, 5, and 10.

5% increase??? If you have your skills at level 1 you get a 5% increase. For example, gunnery skills at level 5 give you:

controlled bursts: -25% cap need for turrets
gunnery: +10% fire rate
motion prediction: +25% tracking speed
rapid firing: +20% fire rate
sharpshooter: +25% optimal
surgical strike: +15% damage
trajectory analysis: +25% falloff

weapon specific skill: +25% damage
weapon specific skill for T2: +10 damage + access to T2 guns and ammo


Having max or high skills makes winning a fight much easier. It is right that you cant buy a win with skill trading, but you can definintly buy a big advantage.

Whats next after skill trading? Probably more pay for advantage! CCP selling blueprints for gold ammo? No problem after skill trading! You can use the same reasons to justify it.
"Its not P2W because players create it."
"Its not P2W because everyone can grind ISK for a PLEX and convert it to AUR to buy golden ammo blueprints."

Was this answered? I'm of the same mind regarding skills you don't want on your board at all.

A skill reduced to level 0 is not removed and can be retrained as long as the prerequisites still exist and skillpoints can be taken from a skill that's fully trained.

This is SP trading, not fully packaged skill trading...that's probably next on the list

My concern isn't necessarily about people buying skill points (though I loathe the idea for the many reasons already put forward),

rather it's that this is absolutely not for new players. Sure some will whip out the credit card and buy some, but only those left over that the large power blocks don't buy up. Also since when has taking more money off someone because they are new been good for them?

These will be bought, stockpiled and used as a strategic asset by big/rich groups. Other than that they will be used by players to shuffle SP between alts, either way this will directly impact PLEX price, which will impact the rest of the market. This is ignoring the secondary effects on the market of suddenly perfect skilled miners, mission runners, incursion runners, explorers and manufacturers. This change will affect just about everything to some degree.

We'll wait and see what it does to player numbers, but I doubt it'll massively increase retention of genuinely new (not returning) players.

People accepting monetization because they can benefit from it (probably by using a reserve of in game ISK already acquired) seems very short sighted to me.

waffles or death!