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A noticable drop in public hi-sec courier contracts...

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Atticus Fynch
#1 - 2012-01-10 17:45:05 UTC
There has been a noticable drop in public hi-sec courier contracts. Looks like the hauling corps are cornering the market leaving slim pickings for freelance haulers.

Interesting development. What?

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#2 - 2012-01-10 17:46:13 UTC
One could almost say that hauling was a legitimate profession. Cool
Atticus Fynch
#3 - 2012-01-10 17:47:09 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
One could almost say that hauling was a legitimate profession. Cool


never doubted it

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Valei Khurelem
#4 - 2012-01-10 17:48:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
I gave up on hauling courier contracts a long time ago, people keep expecting you to pay outright stupid collateral fees before you accept.

900 million for a 6 million haul? **** off!

I do think you can make money certainly from making contracts with corporations privately or speculative buying though.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Embrace My Hate
Bitmap Brothers
#5 - 2012-01-10 17:51:04 UTC
Atticus Fynch wrote:
There has been a noticable drop in public hi-sec courier contracts. Looks like the hauling corps are cornering the market leaving slim pickings for freelance haulers.

Interesting development. What?


I cannot tell if you are complaining or not. But I can tell you the purpose of any corporation is to improve itself for the benefit of the members inside the corporation at the expense of those not in the actual corp. It is only natural that corporations put themselves in advantageous positions to what else, Have an advantage.

Corporations will have this effect on anything from hauling, incursions, and faction warfare to 0.0 PvP and logistics. Cooperate and interact with other players for best success <3

Atticus Fynch
#6 - 2012-01-10 17:56:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Atticus Fynch
Embrace My Hate wrote:

I cannot tell if you are complaining or not.



Why people view any post here as a complaint or whine is beyond me. Im just stating an observation open for discussion.

I really wish the "stop whining" comments would stop. It makes you look stupid , like you cant produce a decent comment without a "I know you are but what am I" mentality.


Valei Khurelem wrote:
I gave up on hauling courier contracts a long time ago, people keep expecting you to pay outright stupid collateral fees before you accept.

900 million for a 6 million haul? **** off!

I do think you can make money certainly from making contracts with corporations privately or speculative buying though.


Hauling contracts are also ripe with scams. large collateral with little payoff usually has someone waiting at the destination or receiving station waiting to gank you.

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Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#7 - 2012-01-10 17:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Gerald Taric
Valei Khurelem wrote:
900 million for a 6 million haul? **** off!
Shocked That is indeed absurd. Maybe he/she was planning an assault?

A collateral, which is slightly higher than the real value on market should be enough.
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-01-10 18:02:55 UTC
You mean a decrease in scamming because people might actually be using the grey matter between their ears? I agree, it's a good development.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#9 - 2012-01-10 18:02:58 UTC
Atticus Fynch wrote:
Why people view any post here as a complaint or whine is beyond me. Im just stating an observation open for discussion.


It's not everyone, just known whiners.
Atticus Fynch
#10 - 2012-01-10 18:04:00 UTC
Public contracts should have a fixed rate of 10% of the collateral value as reward. This will also cut down on scam contracts.

Private contracts can be whatever you want them to be.

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Valei Khurelem
#11 - 2012-01-10 18:04:17 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Atticus Fynch wrote:
Why people view any post here as a complaint or whine is beyond me. Im just stating an observation open for discussion.


It's not everyone, just known whiners.


Stop whining about other people whining you stupid whiner.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Skorpynekomimi
#12 - 2012-01-10 18:06:50 UTC
Most of them are made of scam and trap anyway.

Economic PVP

Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#13 - 2012-01-10 18:11:28 UTC
Atticus Fynch wrote:
Public contracts should have a fixed rate of 10% of the collateral value as reward. This will also cut down on scam contracts.

Why? There is always the option NOT TO ACCEPT that contract.
One of the most important required skills for EVE is "reading ability" Blink

I do not like restrictions, because of there might be someone, who fails because of not able to deal with the freedom. As long as all can clearly be seen in the contract, there's IMHO no need to restrict anything.
Atticus Fynch
#14 - 2012-01-10 18:14:14 UTC
Gerald Taric wrote:
Atticus Fynch wrote:
Public contracts should have a fixed rate of 10% of the collateral value as reward. This will also cut down on scam contracts.

Why? There is always the option NOT TO ACCEPT that contract.
One of the most important required skills for EVE is "reading ability" Blink

I do not like restrictions, because of there might be someone, who fails because of not able to deal with the freedom. As long as all can clearly be seen in the contract, there's IMHO no need to restrict anything.



Why tax NPC corps? Makes people want to leave and venture out.

Why a fixed rate for courier contracts? Keep people from making up scam contracts. Reading has nothing to do with it. Wasting my time filtering through scams does.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#15 - 2012-01-10 18:24:25 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Stop whining about other people whining you stupid whiner.


Your post was bad and you should feel bad for posting it.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-01-10 18:27:46 UTC
Atticus Fynch wrote:
There has been a noticable drop in public hi-sec courier contracts. Looks like the hauling corps are cornering the market leaving slim pickings for freelance haulers.

Interesting development. What?



Yes I have noticed this also, what with Push corp advertising in local around the major hubs and such, but I've still found some juicy contracts to do in my "bored with everything else" time :)
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Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-01-10 19:00:22 UTC
This past weekend, I had the wind taken out of my sails for running courier contracts. After idling for nearly two years in the game collecting skill points, too bad I did not wait another week to do _something_.

Normally I do not go out of my way to run contracts. But if I am heading towards one of the other three empires outside Minmatar space, a casual look to fill empty cargo space never hurt. Then once I am whereever I was heading, another casual look for anything running back ~home~ never hurt. This past weekend, I was in Jita and reviewed the available contracts. There was one heading towards Dodixie - a bit out of the way, but doable. Since I have been idle, my available ISK was not rich but borderline poor. So while the collateral was almost all my available ISK, in the past, I have run contracts worth more (and less). One more pass over the available contracts to see if anything heading my way with my remaining fund was possible, but finding nothing there, I decided to undock.

Entering space screen, black screen, time passes, black screen still lingering, etc. Finally the outside of Jita is there and crowded as ever. Somewhere in that mess is me... What just flashed on my screen?

I look at my status bar and see three red stripes followed quickly by three white stripes. Initially, I figure the game was placing me into space as I have seen it in the past. Suddenly, there I am floating aimlessly in my pod.

Where the hell is my friggin' ship?

Upper left hand corner pops up a message offering an apology over the loss of my ship. I quickly get out of there before my pod becomes a casualty. After collecting myself, I review what has been available and send the owner of the contract an apology letter for loosing his package. The courier contract did have items of value. I wrote again asking if I collect the items, then could we finish the deal, which was denied. Basing on what the ganker used for ship and weapons, overall that combined loss was greater than my collateral; so doubt there was a connection (but I could be wrong).

Licking my wounds, I am wiser, but more wary of any public contracts now.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-01-10 19:04:42 UTC
I only do public couriers with large collaterals for certain people or corps that I have worked with before. Even then I scout along my route to see if there are any nasty surprises in wait.
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Barakkus
#19 - 2012-01-10 19:19:16 UTC
Atticus Fynch wrote:

Hauling contracts are also ripe with scams. large collateral with little payoff usually has someone waiting at the destination or receiving station waiting to gank you.


That's why you haul it with a character that didn't accept the contract if it feels fishy. They'll shoot you while your alt delivers.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#20 - 2012-01-10 19:21:44 UTC
Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:
(story about getting ganked)


you should really have an insta out of Jita 4-4 ... it'll save you a lot of trouble.

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