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That minimum was probably set for the test server. I don't think it makes any sense to talk about how they benefit new players if you have to be here three months+ to use one. That is just silly. Nor do I think the 500k unpenalized injector would be bothered to be stated. They would begin with the 2nd line not with 5m but 5.5m SP and the following 400k rules.

Do NOT assume the test server restrictions will apply to the TQ extractor rules.

given it's going to cost 500m minimum and up to 1bn to buy an injector...i hope you have plenty of isk saved!

Who said it was going to be 1billion isk, could be 2 billion but know that you lose the skill you trained up, I assume it will be high at first at least close to a battleship or a bit more then a battleship cost, maybe a bill but the price I am sure will even out around maybe 400 mil to 600 million isk and if we are lucky it could even out to a flat 500 mill, but I can see it being a billion in the beginning. Have to wait and see what it ends up looking like next week.

Can't speak for others, but leveling the playing field doesn't matter to me. I don't mind new people catching up to me in terms of SP (not that I have that much anyway), but this won't help them do that. It will help veterans who are well-off become even more well-off, and will in fact make the disparity between new and old players even bigger.

What I do mind is that CCP is doing something they explicitly said (multiple times) that they will never do, and that is offering an in-game advantage in exchange for cash.

What I do mind is that they're doing this despite the overwhelmingly negative response to it.

What I do mind is that they're doing this with one of the core mechanics that made EVE different from any other pay2win/grind2win MMO.

What I do mind is that they're lying about their reasons for doing it.

If they were interested in helping new players and insisted on doing it with this mechanic, the extractors would be available by means other than paying real cash, and the injectors would be completely unusable by any character above something like 10-20 million SP. Not to mention that there are plenty of better ways to help new players without also helping the older ones in the process.


I want to as well, but not at the expense of the game as a whole. In fact, I would argue that having to wait for skills is a good thing. You need to plan what you want to do and what you need to do it, you need to decide what your priorities are and focus on a certain playstyle. You need to specialize.

That's one of the great things about EVE imo, that a pilot with 5 mil SP specialized in PvP skills can still pwn a 100 mil SP veteran who focused more on other things. You need to specialize, and people with different specialties need to group up and cooperate in order to cover each other's weaknesses and achieve something bigger than themselves. Now you'll just have a bunch of people running around going "buy all the skills \o/" and being jacks of all trades and masters of none.

And if you weren't playing because you waited for skills to train up, you're doing it wrong. You do the best with what you have at the moment and get better over time, and gain some actual gameplay experience in the process. Then when you get good enough at that aspect of the game and have the skills to match, you try something new and different. It's not so much about "I need X to do Y", it's about "I need to do Y, how do I do it with the tools I already have at my disposal". It's about thinking how to solve a problem or work around it instead of just throwing SP at it in the hopes that it will then solve itself.

Having to work with less will make you a better player when you have access to more. When this update goes live, you'll throw a bunch of SP at whatever you want to do, feel no accomplishment in doing so because it's instant gratification, and then realize you still suck at it simply because you don't have the gameplay experience to go along with and make good use of that SP.

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300 mil per 500k of SP would effectively mean eve becomes free to play. I can't see that happening as many players such as myself pay the subscription to access the servers and not solely for the accumulation of SP.

Effort to do this is a huge factor. There goes a lot of planing and investment into this if you want to create and sell chars on the bazaar. SP extraction is however zero effort. This makes all the difference in the world.

I would never ever create a char to sell on the bazaar, but I will most certainly use the new mechanic to get free chars, and so will a lot of other people.

I expect a huge impact on PLEX price

Whoa whoa, you -sure- you want to say that here?

I wonder if there's much point basing any price guesstimates on PLEX since when this hits the PLEX price is going to bounce around like a punk with ADHD at a Sex Pistols gig.

It'll take months most likely before prices for this settle (in my view to what the large alliance powers want it to be). It'll take months after that to see the impact on the wider market (which could be large) and on the player base (depending on whether those who have pre-paid 3, 6, 12 months on their accounts actually do quit).

In short this seems like a huge gamble to me for monetary gain. I hope I'm wrong about that but only time will tell.

I still feel the extreme reduction that more skilled characters get from this is unwarranted.