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No, just pay $5 in Aurum fees to CCP per skill extractor, which, if you calculate, is about double the price of a subscription.

why do many people assume the cost of the injectors will be a simple AUR -> ISK conversion?

like players are going to give away 500k SP for free...

500k SP currently nets you about 250m in the character bazaar...if SP farmers want ISK and can't get it through extraction, they'll sell the character instead

And?

I'm still of the thought that this way of thinking is more double charging rather that applying a fee for the ability to transfer. PLEX aren't $30 each vs a sub's $15, so an injector which costs 1/4th a month to make the SP for should have another 1/4th a months cost for the extractor on top of that seems less than justified.

If it costs more than 350AUR it becomes proportionately more expensive than the base prices of PLEX vs sub time.

And, in my opinion it's not pay to win because:

- You inject the SP and then ??? You haven't won anything yet. You've paid, but you have 0 kills, 0 wins.

- You go out there in a ship that you can now fly with your millions SP, and ??? you won't get attacked by newbies, you'll get attacked by veterans in equivalent (or better) ships that can kill you, so you'll lose the fight. Nobody in this game attacks a stronger ship; they will blob you, call all their friends and kill your shiny ship, just to get a couple more points on their killboard. You still won't win.

You'll buy a bunch of skillpoints, fly up to a titan or battleship or whatever shiny, get killed repeatedly, grow disillusioned, and regret your SP purchases. Maybe throw some more money at it, to extract the points and re-inject in another ship; take that out and lose it repeatedly, then quit the game.


As far as the kick in the nuts, imagine yourself in your example:

You're a newbie. You buy SP. You inject it. You delete all API's so nobody can see nothing. Do you...

- Get in a big ship that you can now afford to fly? As soon as you undock, they'll see a titan in the overview and go WHOA that newbie can't possibly fly a titan!!! They must have injected points... Ding ding ding... your injected SP has just been revealed, is no longer hidden.

- Stay in the newbie frigate so that nobody knows you can fly titans... Well in that case nobody will know, and also all those SP you purchased will sit UNUSED in your head, much like money that sits unused in your wallet. It's not in the economy, does nothing. Nobody quakes in fear that OMG Alea has 50 trillion in her wallet and could just RUIN the economy... until you use it, it doesn't exist. Nobody will care that you have enough SP to fly a titan if you're flying newbie ships. As soon as you stop flying newbie ships... see the first option above.

API isn't even needed.

Not reading the past 85 pages....

Has their been any thought into negating the penalty if you extract from yourself, and inject back to the same pilot?

As a way for Titan pilots to recover drone SP etc??

The o7 eve show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maVjcmXuMUw&index=1&list=PLQvKSs1k6DLOJpQmojYo4JsrqSfLnoN5r has many data charts and average SP per hour at the last 10 minutes of the video. Cool lab coat, bro. Please add as vanity item so i can pair it with the goggles.

::edit:: It must be a mad scientist coat, as I can hear the faint echo of mad laughter coming all the way from Iceland here on the warm Pacific west coast. A part of me wants to see these sub 1000 AUR just to see the graphs and how patterns of behavior/addiction vary from the rich to the poor, the newb and the veteran, and home location both in-game and out-of-game... ::edit::

All skills train the same amount of SP per hour. They take longer only because of the multiplier that makes them worth more SP, not that they slow down the ticker at all. You should check out those graphs. I think your +5 and specialized attribute SP per hour is calculated too low. I have two +3's in with a full willpower/perception map and nearly everything I've trained is hulls lately. I haven't paid much attention to it though, but the graphs show a much higher rate for maximum sp per hour.

A farming char will net you 2M skillpoints per month (2700 SP/h, perfect map, +5 implants).

In that case, the formula is:

(1 Plex) * ((Aur Cost of Extractor)/3500 + 500,000/2,000,000) + a small markup

Or : (1 Plex) * ((Aurcost of Extractor)/3500 + 0.25) + a small markup

Or: (1 Plex)* ((Aur Cost of Extractor) + 875)/ 3500 + a small markup


So, if an extractor costs 2625 Aurum, then full injector would cost 1 Plex (+ a small markup).

The viability of doing this will all come down to that Aurum price. I might opt not to bother with it at all, considering how much the instant SP will likely cost. It's likely that we're getting all upset over nothing.