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After 12 years im also looking for a new game.

Star Citizen Which is currently in alpha looks promising. But has microtransactions from the get go.

Stellaris Looks kinda fun, eve and dust rolled into one package.

Gotta admit that gave me a chuckle.

Yes it is. CSM problems, lack of communication in focus groups, modules tiercide lost somewhere. In the meantime they monetized outdated xp system. We all know there is an issue with SP gaining. So rather than change it they charge it. Truly, this is rubicon.

Commercial suicide IS depressing.

the SP bazar should replace Char Bazar haven't you figured that out yet?

It's like CCP forgets their promises every time they change things in their organization.

Don't think this means what you think it means............. SP trading does not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. If you invest time (waiting), you can get the same skills that someone bought. The end result: Both get the same skill, and can do the same things, hence no unfair advantage over waiting untill the skills is trained. So they are not breaking the above promise. I see that CCP Hellmar was looking into the future and being prepared by that statement.

If you will argue that it is an advantage that one got the skills faster, well what about all the people right now who already has most of the skills they need? Are they also pay2win because they subscribed longer?

So you are basically saying that even if you had a 13 years headstart, you have not accumulated enough ressources/ relations/ know how of the game to feel confident enough about competing against a rookie who would be given the same amounts of sp than you? That is kinda sad.

And another point: perhaps being playing a game you enjoyed for approx. 13 years is reward enough in itself? You already have had a time advantage to develop your player skills over newer players, why do you need to be further rewarded for the time you have been enjoying this game?

That's EvE online for you, space is harsh and cold.


Nah, you see, space is harsh and cold, only SP will keep you warm at night.

except 1. WoW isn't dead. and is still the BIGGEST SUBSCRIBER BASED GAME IN EXISTENCE.

pulling in SO MUCH PROFIT, and SO MUCH INFLUENCE that no other game company on earth can match them. not even the company that "owns" them. the company that "owns" blizzard has so little power over blizzard that blizzard does whatever they want, while activision can only follow what blizzard says.



and 2nd. 2 people have done the math now






if u want to know what P2W is
example of pay to win in EVE would be

ammo you can only get with money that gives you a much higher chance of hitting target or does more dmg
a ship you can only get with money that has superior stats to normal ships (example, Fleet Issue that can only be bought with rl money)


skill injectors are more similar to XP boosters in GW2, WoW, or Premium account(for bonus exp)

its similar to a cerebral accelerator, except gives the exp now, instead over the course of your first month.



will having more SP than the enemy make you always win? no. cause it depends heavily on ships both people bring, weapons, builds, and numbers on both sides.

SP helps you be able to use stuff, or use it more effectively, but it isn't a auto win.

not to mention, you can buy SP injectors with isk you earn in game, and thus (unlike XP boosters in other games) its more accessible without money. (and more at the mercy of the playerbase to change its price)