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Some of us did, and challenged both the introduction of both PLEX and the Character Bazaar.

Of them all, I am more forgiving of PLEX as it allows folk, some of whom, for whatever reason, would not be able to afford to play otherwise.

It's really easy to keep the injectors out of the reach of "the masses": just put a high Aurum cost on them; nobody's gonna want to pay hundreds of dollars for a few measly points.

Titans are a lot more common than when they were first introduced, but they're still not a ship that "the masses" have.

In any case, nice to see such disdain for other players (feel free to use the term "unwashed masses", it's clear you're thinking it). You sure are elite, a rarity, worthy of a Nobel prize or something, for managing to be better than others at clicking buttons in a MMO game.

The initial idea was too generous to veteran players.

Now that you've TRIPLED the efficiency for veteran players, this idea has morphed to pants-on-headWTFBBQ. A bunch of rich bitter vets will buy up all the things & this will be pure pay-to-win (which is unacceptable to a ton of people) instead of pay-to-catch-up-a-bit (which is acceptable to almost everybody now that EVE is almost 13 years old.) So after EVE trillionaires buy up all the things & show off their shiny 300M SP toons will you still be saying it's NOT pay-to-win? In the one facet of the game you COULDN'T gain an advantage over other players these past 13 years due to the hard-cap on maximum skill training speed?

Go back to 50k for 80M and this idea isn't terrible. Better yet, cap it completely at 80M or 100M.

Alternatively (or in tandem with a cap) you could implement a diminishing returns PER INJECTION.

CCP, you've been doing so well lately, you've won over a lot of bitter vets like me. Don't blow it all with another golden goose killing move like Greed is Good.

Remember Mahanus' rule: If you ignore AkJon, you end up saying 'Ow, mah anus!'

Then he will come here or cry on the comms and everyone will have a lot of fun.

They are talking from their bottoms, because there is no report, because CCP bought itself out with a lot of cash, and doesnt have to publish anything.

It does speak of confidence... that VR is the place to bet their future. Monitors, towers, keyboards, mice, how nostalgia gaming those are. Why do I personally think there's some financial difficulty going on in their accounting department? The sheer number of Plex and Aurum discount sales that wrapped up the last quarter of 2015. The only time any business has that many firesales is there's a hurting for liquid assets and it needs to be fed in a hurry. As CCP is a privately held company, therefore no stockholders' info packets sent out for perusal, us unwashed mass scrubs won't know how bad this hole is until the New Eden segment of TQ is shut down to customer access.

Eggs all in one basket. That basket needs a headset that is currently priced at $600 USD.

This from a game company that not too many months ago was nearly begging people to not leave, to come back, and that they'd learned their lesson on ignoring customer feedback and would keep the lines of communication open to a better extent than 2015 went. Wow, talk about tossing their own employees under the bus! How bad did that video of apology bruise someone's pride, and to go right back to the SSDD policies that lead to it being made in the first place.

Does CCP suffer from short term memory loss?

"We promise not to do that again. Oops, we did it again so... eat silence and HTFU you plebs."

Does CCP suffer from short term memory loss??? (or do they hope all of us have that problem? hmmm.)

>Jeven

I wholeheartedly agree.

If they need money, why not increase the subscription fee. I wouldn't be over the moon, but I wouldn't be thinking about quitting either. If noobs need more skill points, give them a few million as part of the tutorial (and make sure they don't waste it). But don't mess with the basics of EVE. What is next? Multiple servers cause they are cheaper to run?

This whole thing makes me very sad. People can argue I am wrong but it seems to me this is blatantly a pay-to-win thing.

The 'rich' get instant skill points and the 'poor' do not. It's buying an in-game advantage.

Never thought I would see this happen.

What is it going to take to make CCP stop being consumed by total greed and see that their subscription player base of players paying them on a monthly or even long term yearly basis for their services at an amount that has stayed higher than ANY OTHER MMO is the envy of the game developing world?

What makes CCP so overconfident to think they can double charge their customers with micro transactions that give an in game advantage on top of the subscriptions players already pay for any legitimate reason at all?

And all this after PROMISING to NEVER MAKE EVE PAY TO WIN!

TOTAL GREED. ZERO HONESTY.

I have zero tolerance for micro transaction pay to win games.

I have zero tolerance for game developers that lie to their customers.

I will not financially support any developer who lies to their customers and indulges in self absorbed unadulterated greed by instituting this nickel and dime insulting behavior on top of the monthly fees and lies through their teeth about it.

This is beyond insulting. This is PATHETIC!

I will also never purchase ANY CCP game ever if this pay to win micro transaction fiasco goes live.

Does CCP honestly think they can destroy their reputation for honest business practices and have Valkyrie be a success by pulling people from EVE into supporting it after screwing over every single paying EVE subscriber?


Has CCP lost their minds?


EVE is a long term game CCP. EVE subscribers plan to play it for decades... until now. Now most don't plan to play at all.


Here is CCP testimony promising to not make EVE pay to win...

Statement on behalf of CCP from Arnar Hrafn Gylfason, Senior Producer for EVE Online

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/accord-reached-at-ccps-special-summit/?_ga=1.84544541.582313803.1452615655

brought up due to the long wait time for new characters for basic ships.

so the idea of giving them SP for finishing tutorials works. or limiting it.


as for this P2W thing, i think people are vastly over stating it(as player driven economy). though if they reduce how much higher SP characters get from it, i dont think that would hurt.

so like 30mil SP or higher characters get 100k or 50k SP from them, despite them costing 500k SP to make. (could even make it so the more injectors you use, the less you get from them)

will some people buy them in mass to get maxed characters? they'll try. but cost wise...i guess thats a reason to petition for a limit to be added to them (like 2 per 6 months, or limit them to characters under a certain total SP)

over all, new players do need to get more SP easier (i know theres the cerebrel accelerator, but the problem with that is not everyone gets it when they start, and its not explained without searching for yourself. and if you miss the 3 week time period after creation, its to late. so you start off after those 3 weeks lower. making the grind longerr)



so yes i'll admit the idea of it right now isn't perfect(nothing ever is). but thats why this thread is here. make suggestions to fix it.

sayign remove it (or as some people are doing, saying CCP is deaf or trying to kill the game) isn't going to help and will only result in CCP ignoring.



personally i'm currently in favor of a limit of 2 injectors per 6 months, or injectors being a reward for finishing tutorial missions(non tradable)

but if they release it as is, i wont complain as i stand to gain more from it than higher SP characters.
i don't think it will kill the game either. as the game has always focused on numbers and builds over who has more SP.