EVE General Discussion

Again though, your experience doesn't make them objectively good. Technically, I've had the best service from blizzard, since I've only ever had to contact them once, but I wouldn't bet that is a good sample from them as a whole. The first time I had to contact CCP the results were the same, nice and quick. More recently, and more frequently it seems from seeing other people saying the same, the wait times are insane. You've got a pretty serious problem if it takes you two months to give a response to a simple query, without so much as a "we're working on it".

Since 2007 I've interacted with CCP customer service dozens of times, and even though for most of my EVe life I had a computer that didnt even meet the minimum requirements, they've helped (when they didn't have to). The longest wait I've had was 3 days and that was due to a wide spread bug that lots of people had (jumping caused black screen).

The same can't be said of any of the other game companies I've had to deal with like microsoft/fasa EA, Perfect World (they basically told me to sod off when i had an STO problem) or Riot, though riot was slightly nicer in telling me to sod off with my pos system.

Must be some hellified luck or something..

No, I really don't. If your support ticket systems allows tickets to sit with no activity for 2 months then it is objectively bad.

Of course, but you are telling me that CCP are giving us something others games companies are not, in fact you claim no other company comes close. Personally I think they've given us an alright game and moderate support for slightly more than most other companies charge.

Of course you do, that's exactly what you are doing when you are claiming CCP are the best and that there's no problems with player numbers. Perhaps it's my fault, perhaps I'm simply accustomed to a higher quality of service than you accept.

How is the size of my alliance relevant in any way? The point is that now there's half the chance to meet another player when flying in space than there used to be. You pretend it doesn't matter, but to many people it does. Personally I couldn't care less about how many other players I see, but since the health of the game is directly tied to the number of subscribers, it's something that needs to be cared about for the longevity of the game.

Maybe, maybe not, either way it's irrelevant. What you're saying is that I shouldn't think something is bad now because if that wasn't bad I might think something else is bad too?

I am fully aware that you are not trying to be smart. I play maybe an hour or two a week now. Mainly I'm on the forums when I have limited access to a computer and/or am bored. I'm not really sure why the amount I play has any relevance on me having an opinion however.

So yes, your point was trying to claim that I don't play enough to be allowed an opinion. So how much exactly should I play to be allowed an opinion? Does it change anything that I've been playing since 2005, had 16 active accounts for most of that time and only recently stopped playing frequently?

No, the problem is that CCP continue to push bad changes and what seems to be utter disinterest in the game. The fact that I don't play as much now is a symptom of the problem, not the cause.

I have enough ISK/PLEX not to need to. If i did, I can guarantee it wouldn't come close to the worst thing I waste insignificant amounts of money on on a regular basis.

You never asked, you just jumped on the defensive.

I want EVE to grow and to be more entertaining. To do that I believe it would help to have more active mechanics, a better risk reward balance (more risk for easy PvP like wardeccers and gankers, more risk for traders and significantly less reward or increased risk for low risk PvE, like highsec incursions and level 4 missions), more division between sections of space (so if you are caldari, it's better to hang in caldari space and much worse to go into gallente space, making regional trading matter more). I think a return of major expansions, more call for CCP staff to interact with players on here rather than reddit and a return of more public stats like the old QEN and subscriber numbers wouldn't go far wrong either.

I'm not "demanding" anything. I'm simply stating I'd like to see EVE grow and think that those kind of things would help. If CCP wants to go a completely different way, hell, if they want to replace all the ships with pink ponies, that's up to them.

And yet people ask for really basic information on these forums and get no response. Engagement with players when CCP feels like engaging with players is one thing, but being proactive and responding to customers does a hell of a lot too.

I've been to a couple of fanfests and a few eve-londons. I won't be going to fanfest this year since dropping a grand on going to a meet about a game I think the developers are giving up on isn't my idea of cash well spent.

That would involve him taking responsibility for his own enjoyment rather than someone handing it to him. Can't have that lol.

EVE is a 'make your own fun' type of thing, and the less creative among us hit these brick walls where they aren't having fun because actual creative people (like developers) aren't shoveling new things at them all the time. Then they blame it on the game when in fact the game is fine.

Then you have those people who change, who 'grow out' of certain things, and instead of realizing that, they blame the game again. The common denominator here is a person that doesn't understand that their problems stem from them (their preferences, their mentality, their changing entertainment needs), not the game.

Every night I'm playing EVE, and one night is different from the next. The next afternoon at work when I have some down time I'm pulling out the old tablet and screwing with EFT or pyfa and dreaming up some new way to tackle that 10/10 of level 5 mission just to get home that night and whelp yet another experimental design to NPCs lol.

But sometimes it's not a whelp....Did you know that MJD on a long range BS + alt in Command Dessie = really easy lvl 5 missions ? The Kells of the world are too busy waiting for content and changes to actually make any.

Prove that the people with problems with how EVE is are less creative. It seems to me that you're just easier to please. CCP pop out a piece of paper and tell you you can fold it however you want within the strict rules of their EULA, and you pay them several times the amount you would pay for a triple A title for the pleasure. If you were really creative you wouldn't even need EVE.

So now you're saying I'm creative? Or do you only mean that EVE developer are creative and all others are not? So hard to keep op when you are full tilt.

Except of course if that were true there would be a similar rate of new people coming in, to outweigh those who are losing interest, which there obviously isn't. When more people are leaving than joining and the game isn't taking steps to move with the players then it is in fact the games fault. Just because you're one of the players willing to put up with it doesn't mean the game is not at fault.

All this suggests is that you are a slow learner.

well thanks for the interaction Lucas, it's been interesting and entertaining, you've actually helped me understand a little more about players in the game and why things go bad for them, why they get bored and so on.
we all want a better EVE and i don't see why you wouldn't just agree on some points like the one i just mentioned but you and i know you tend not to quote those lines.
sometimes it's good to find common ground and then work from there, i see EVE growing but you don't, i see a different day everytime i log in, variaty is the spice of life and do you know what lucas? this is one of the key elements of EVE that keeps me here, there is shite ton to get upto in the game and there isn't a day when someone gets a visit from the loot fairy or fecks up by reprocessing his ship or someone elses ship lol
the Devs have not given up on EVE and i just can't see how you've come to that conclusion.

Nope, it's just an easy conclusion to come to now. Valkyrie is getting a lot of focus, which it obviously would seeing how much cash has been thrown into it and how it's an oculus launch title. A developer would be crazy not to put more focus into that. That leaves EVE falling behind in itself. Then look at the changes that have been done recently, with bigger changes being pushed back, and even their creative naming of patches being benched. Then there's the shift towards more microtransactions. All in all it paints a picture of a company shifting away from an old product. I hope I'm wrong, but that's the honest impression I get.