EVE General Discussion

Having actually driven a Model T I can confidently tell you that the only things it has in common with a modern car are the Infernal Combustion Engine, 4 wheels, 3 pedals and a steering wheel, the pedals don't do the same things either. The model T is so far removed from a modern car that you need specialist instruction, from someone who has experience driving one, in order for you to get it moving; the control layout is completely alien and the stuff that does familiar tasks works in novel, and occasionally terrifying, ways.

It's far more akin to a horse and cart than it is a modern car, it's so different to drive when compared to a modern car because you have to take everything you know about driving, including years of muscle memory, and discard it. The modern car is an improved version precisely because so much has changed, in short you need a better analogy.

Change is how you improve something, or not as the case may be. Change can be good or bad depending on which side of the change you're on, Sov isn't my bag so I'll refrain from commenting on something I'm wholly ignorant of but you're correct in that the view of changes is subjective.


If we keep the existing PvE then that's new content, not improved content. It's a fine distinction but there is definitely a difference between the two.

The problem with new PvE content is that it's time intensive to develop for CCP, yet easily optimised for minimum effort and maximum profit in very little time. The first step to new PvE content should, in my opinion (bearing in mind that I know little about software development), be to place a framework down that allows CCP to tweak and improve the current PvE content in a way that makes it less easily farmed and then implementing what they learn from it into new content at a later date.

Hardware and network bandwidth costs have gone down significantly since 2003. Yet I've never seen anyone drop their monthly fees to say 5 a month would be more reasonable. I only pay 8 for Netflix.

Gouge them while you can I guess.

You're right and I agree, but if the majority of the new audience you're trying to reel in doesn't get it or doesn't agree then it doesn't matter. If people are not willing to pay monthly to play a game then you're never going to get those people as players, no matter how justified the price is.

It really depends on what you are trading. Even two years ago, when I started there were modules that was generally not 0.01 isked over night. A lot of the T2 modules for example. Try ofte used ship hulls and weapon modules, they are usually 0.01 isked pretty fast.

Knowing about the quirks of and actually operating a Model T are entirely different things, you forgot about manually advancing and retarding the ignition according to your speed and having to operate the fuel pump by hand every few minutes for example. Cars and trucks are my bread and butter, over the years I've driven stuff ranging from Austin Minis to tanks, going through the gamut of super-cars, specialised off-road vehicles etc, the Model T is the hardest vehicle to operate that I've ever tried to drive, because it is so utterly different from everything else.

In theory a Model T operates on basically the same principles and does the same job as a modern car, just as in theory the Wright Brothers Flyer operates on basically the same principles and does the same job as a modern propeller driven or jet aircraft; in both cases the reality is that they're very different beasts indeed.

My point remains, improvement requires change.

Many devs have tried to put PvE content creation in the hands of players, most have failed because the content produced is usually either insanely hard with little reward, or insanely easy with massive reward; putting that kind of framework in the hands of players invariably leads to poor balance and exploitation.

When CCP start selling SP that hasn't been accrued in the usual manner and inject it from the nether then we have a problem, until then the exchanging of SP for isk isn't an erosion inasmuch as the source for the SP is other players and thus it could be seen as an extension of the character bazaar. I'm not fond of the idea myself but I don't see it as detrimental to the extent that you seem to.

Firstly CCP have always chosen to favour PvP over PvE, because they produce a PvP biased game, not a PvE biased one.

Secondly Highsec players and PvE players have equal opportunity to put forth their ideas, CCP give their ideas the same considerations that they give to those from PvPers; for example

• is it viable?
• is it possible?
• can they spare the dev cycles
• will it be balanced?
• does it fit in with the game that they want to produce?
• is it batshit insane? (they drop the ball on this one occasionally, often with their own ideas)

Thirdly the silent majority have no say, because they choose to remain silent. To anybody that claims to do so I say

We can speculate all we like about why the average player count is down, the only people that are likely to have that information are CCP. The multitude of changes that have affected how many accounts a player can operate at once, or how many they even need, and a plethora of other stuff will definitely have had an effect on the numbers though.

While the injectors are initially an AUR item and like the other AUR items created by CCP and not the players, the actual use of them relies on SP that has been accrued in the normal fashion, just as the character bazaar does.

I agree entirely, being a subscription MMO works for them. Their attempt at micro-transactions was doomed to fail the moment some idiot thought that a virtual item costing more than a real one was a good idea, god help us if they go in that direction.
lol fair enough; for me the labeling was the problem with that not the equine content, but the British public gets squeamish about eating what are often seen as pets.


edited to reflect that I misread Lucas's post

Sure, but it's still PTW (or pay for advantage, since it doesn't actually grant skill) given through microtransactions. All they've done is work their way into it using baby steps so people don't freak out for each step.

I thoink you misread that last one I think CCP will end up relying on MT more than subs.

Yup, I'm in total agreement there

why does CCP need to copy anyones model?

I think all these people calling for no sub and MT's out the ying yang are badly mistaken.

I play many games and some of them are free to play, areas are restricted, gear is restricted, can make the game even more of a grind and most important it makes you feel like you are a lower class within the community.

the so called current model of FTP is not good for the community, it splits it and that's the last thing you want.

15 euros a month is nothing to pay for the level of service we get in this game.

you show me one other company that's even come close to what CCP has given us and i'll shut up.

i must say this again about this thread, it serves no purpose but to keep a few people talking rubbish about something they do not have the full facts on.

CCP knows well why new subs don't stick around, they're not a stupid company, i'm sure they already have a plan and this thread is nothing but a depth gauge.

but what does it matter, i log in and play, what i don't do is check how many are online before i log in and when the number isn't what i like, jump on the forums and have a whine about it. let CCP worry about their shite and we'll worry about ours.

Good news is, I managed to add time from my tablet using free wifi at McDo.

I don't know if my trader still has skills to train in his skill queue but I'll also be able to check from EVE Gate instead of having to log in to the client.

I can still check on EVEBoard but it will take a few minutes to clear the cache (for the updated data to backtrack).

On an alternate note, I am going in the test forum to post an audio recording of a forum post to convey the tone better (with open-end captioning).

+1

btw, if you used to sniped your own order in Jita within 5 minutes can hardly count as a Rabbit decline of rapid numbers...


Edit:
One of my main problem with 3rd party license is the IP right.
I not only have to copyright my work prior to testing to avoid potential seizure and forfeiture, but I also feel I am unfairly restricted in rightfully criticizing and reporting this.
So, it has to go in my work, one way or the other, it is an integral part of it due to the constant bombardment.

I don't see what would be the point of offering a service, which , while attacked, doesn't care of the risk, and damages the other parties instead of actually being beneficial at all in preventing coercion or other related attacks.
It would work like the virus which it prevents losses from.

mhmm, so yeah, spoils of war comes to mind as a possible solution.


Suing for peace


Edit 2:
from Cinneas ,
Pyrrhic victory
... The term is used as an analogy in fields such as business, politics, and sports to describe struggles that end up ruining the victor. Theologian Reinhold Niebuhr, for example, commented on the necessity of coercion in preserving the course of justice by warning, "Moral reason must learn how to make coercion its ally without running the risk of a Pyrrhic victory in which the ally exploits and negates the triumph."[6] ...

I for one, am not one that supports or incites such coercion as a possible solution in justice, but rather is against it, in, by and of itself.
As for numbers and warfare, it doesn't take a genius to figure out how to count properly.
A percentage of 20% or 40% of a pie still is more than 1% of a larger pie, even if that 1% piece is 10 times larger than the 20% to 40% percentages.

Well then you are lucky. I just got a response on Wednesday to a ticket where my last correspondence was on 5th November (and the first response took 6 days). And it's certainly not the first time it's taken this long. Judging by other people's comments too, it's not uncommon to get no response for ages.