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wait, are we unsubbing or not. I can never tell with these things.

doom sayer

peopel say that every change

and game still here


remember the titan dooms day nerf? (the people's cries of "titans are now worthless")
or the introduction of t3 crusiers ("they to powerful, they make everything else worthless")
or basically every change


people say the games gone to far and is gonna die.


and it doesn't.


if you think giving people the ability to transfer SP is going to massacre the game.....your delusional.



i might be new in game, but i've payed attention to EVE forums and news for a long time. not to mention half a dozen other game forums

every time theres a change. people say everyone will leave.



the only time i've actually see a game die is cause the devs DIDN'T do anything (Archeage)


hell even runescape survived the removal of the wilderness(and that was extreme. imagine removing null sec.)

My guess is that the extractors won't cost that much but the injectors will. SP farmers are gonna make a killing selling their SP to instant gratifying scrubs.

Already canceled my subs, I just have some time left before they fully run out so figure I would post my thoughts but starting to not even care enough to do that any more.

Did you ignore the prior blog on the same subject? Or just assume it wouldn't go forward?

Since the feedback was so negative and the lack of response by CCP, I thought they would back out of it. Looks like I overestimated CCPs intellectual capabilities.

Since my accounts are paid for (for a little while longer), I intend on abusing the hell out this garbage in ways CCP never imagined to show them the error of their ways.

I want it motion-capture animated, so I can watch myself in the mirror in the captain HQ, sucking skills / grey matter out of my head. Look in the mirror, get an overlay of my brain, with false color maps indicating where the skills are actually stored, and then use the mouse to position the extractor over the spot, and push it in. Number of skillpoints extracted depending on how accurate I was over the actual spot.

They have a simple system. Step 1, Step 2, done. You guys keep asking to complicate it, because immersion, curiosity, or just because. I don't understand it.

Oh! I see!

I hadn't looked closely enough. I was somehow thinking the threshold to start getting diminished returns was higher than 5 mil SP.

You may soon get me to be sold on this!



I'll tell you grand plan right now, if this all happens the way it has been described, with extractors costing a low Aur price.

Step 1 : I'll go on the character bazaar and buy any four characters that have 5 mill or more SP and at least one remap.

Step 2: I'll sub 4 new accounts, and have the characters transferred there.

Step 3: Remap them all to Intelligence (first) and Memory (second).

Step 4: Train them to cybernetics V if they're not already there.

Step 5: Buy 2 improved implants each. No need to bother buying any more than that, because those two attributes are the only two they will ever use for the rest of their existence.

Step 6: Train them as pure research and industry alts. And gradually remove all non-related skills. Then every month they'll train into a new Int/Memory skill, and Every month they'll extract it and give it to my main (or another alt.)

No, PLEX didn't need to happen. Yes, it has a positive aspect of giving a legitimate avenue for real money that may have been spent in less safe avenues to obtain isk, but you can be certain it exasperated the act of buying in game currency through removing consequences when going through a specified party, CCP themselves, for a little extra cash on the sub payment.

Some may chose to see it as altruistic and necessary, I don't because it isn't really either despite having positive aspects. It's a symbiotic system that allows CCP to make more cash from the same service they already sell while filling a service they made illegal for their competitors.

I won't disagree that it has limits, I will fully disagree that the limits it creates are the pillars of some sort of health or positive consequence for the game. Mainly because, with the exception of a money cycle this can create all the gameplay symptoms of the system, such as SP inequivalence, already exist. And further, since characters can only pilot one ship at a time and can only ever put so much SP into a specific ship, adding SP into a character is a practice that already has capped gains.

Yes, they can gain variety, but that's capped by the available items which should already be balanced between themselves anyways because that creates issues without even considering this.

The remaining consideration is alts, but input broadcasting was banned, helping soft cap abuses for multiple account holders in addition to cost and effort doing so prior.

Which makes me think, was this envisioned as far back as that and Input broadcasting banned as a step to enable this?

Honest question, how is this different from AUR and it's current function? Or are you indirectly saying that line has been crossed?

Good luck, monocle-gate never bothered me. 18months did, poor optimization of a mandatory feature did, neglect of other aspects for that same feature while having no real plan did.

If people wanted $80 monocles, who was I to tell them they shouldn't, much less can't.

Edit: To be more specific Monocle-gate never bothered me in terms of monetization of things like cosmetics, and CCP was already charging premiums for trading characters and game time. The concept of actual P2W was a concern, but SP being what it is and remaining constrained to player sources doesn't strike me as P2W as explained above.

I wonder what this will do to the market value of high SP characters?

Currently you can sell an 80 mil SP character for well over 35 bil ISK. But with extractors, will that price hold up?

If this is going to massively de-value characters that people have put years into building up, that might cause some unsubbing.