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I also have to point out that if the price is below 0.25*PLEX+extractor another effect may come into play which may lower the subscription numbers. Until know the ONLY way to get SP was to have an active subscription. So there are actually a lot of people who just let their accounts running even if they have no time to play EVE to not miss out on that SP.

Even without the price below 0.25*PLEX+extractor that monopoly on SP acquisition is gone and may compel others to simply unsubscribe for the absence, because they can always buy the SP back if they need to. It's no longer coupled to an active subscription. Until now you fell behind if doing so, this is no longer true. However, this is only a psychological thing which is falling away here and you will still get SP cheaper than if you purchase them. But for some this change may be all that is needed.

If the price falls below 0.25*PLEX+extractor it suddenly becomes stupid to stay subscribed while not playing. You simply lose money and you don't have to be very smart to notice that.

So maybe that's even better for the players, since they will probably save money in the end. I just doubt that was the intention of the change.

I seriously don't get this change. I am not sure why they don't even address those concerns. It looks like they just want to see what happens and the change was pushed down from some paper pusher who does not understand EVE and does not account for the effects this will have on the game and the players.

Not even does it **** off a lot of players, I see absolutely no reason why this should generate more revenue for them.

I mean it's also obvious that the slow standard SP accumulation and the presence of this SP injectors will look to any new player who is accustomed to f2p titles like an ordinary paywall which is just there to incentivise the purchase of said packages with more RL money. But EVE is still a subscription game and this and the ridiculous price tag will **** anyone off in their right mind.

I doubt that there are enought RL rich guys with OCD that will just trow all their money at EVE to get their chars to max SP to compensate for all the negative effects this may have.

No! I'm not trying to say that this is bad and they will make less money. They'll make less money *from me* but I expect the change will encourage more people to subscribe (either to buy SP and use them, to sell SP from an alt and spend the ISK or whatever). The increase in PLEX price should also get more people buying PLEX just for the ISK and no doubt there will be some who decide that instead of running their account for free they want to funnel all the SPs it generates into their main as you suggest.

It will also give some people a new goal to grind ISK for. A lot of people get to the point where they have a pile of ISK and nothing to do with it and then they stop. Now they can spend it on SP so they can set a goal of 'I want 100M SP' and keep grinding ISK to buy their way up there.



Well active logins are way down from where they were in previous years already, particularly in certain time periods. Eve feels like there are less people in it now than 5 years ago. You can see how a free to play eve could work -- make all accounts playable for free (or perhaps unlimited time trial accounts and if you want to play free you have to extract all your non-trial skills!) but they can't train skills any more. To train skills after the first 30 days you either have to sub or buy skill packets.

I imagine that would get a lot more people playing eve -- I know several people who I could get to log in once or twice a month on that basis and just have some fun but who don't want to pay their sub any more. It's a multi-player game so more people in the game makes it better for everyone, making it more likely that people will enjoy it and spend money. I bet there are rather a lot of old eve players who would dip in once a month if they could do so for free.

I wonder if they actually want to go this way but at some point someone in a suit said "you can't do that until you can demonstrate we can make back the lost subscription money by selling these other things". So now they're trying to find ways to sell things for AUR to prove that it will work. We had skins and cosmetic items which, IMO, were quite highly priced for a game which a lot of customers already pay multiple subs for but I have no idea how many of these get sold. Now we finally have an actually useful item that can only be purchased for Aurum and we'll get so see how that changes things.

Sorry i cut away most of the dribble you wrote

In 2011 after the monocle-gate crap ($60 for a monocle) and Jita was burning. CCP™ said that only vanity items would be sold via the New Eden Store, the skill extractor is a bit more than a vanity item.

With the amount of injectors required to go from say 5m sp to 200m sp, i am sure CCP™ will recover the cost of their new hardware http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/tranquility-tech-3/ and much more this way.

I would also like to see more CCP™ employee's participating in this thread, since this is a major game changer, but as usual they are nowhere to be seen.

Well there is some risk -- the risk that any trader has. What you're describing has a reasonably high upfront cost that you're gambling you'll be able to make back.

You could buy your PLEX, train the character, extract the skillpoints and the market could crash so you can't sell them back for the PLEX cost. That might happen because the PLEX cost goes up so much that the skillpacks cost more than people will pay or because so many people do this that the price of skillpacks hits a floor so it takes years to make back the cost of getting those alts to the 5M skillpoints they need to have before they can start producing. Or it might just be that you're competing against people ripping from an old alt who don't have the cost of actually training new skills that you do.

Not all risk is the risk of getting blown up.

Because they have one or more characters they don't use any more with tens of millions of SP and they want to have tens of billions of ISK instead of those SP. Their only cost would be extractors so the wouldn't have to sell for above the 1/4 PLEX cost. With PLEX as it is now then why wouldn't they of course but what if PLEX cost 4 billion ISK?

This assumes quite a lot of compatibility between different pod pilots' brains, and how they map. But this is is sci fi. Why not?

However other custom cloning options, such as having jump clones, require skills. If infomorph psychology limits your number of jump clones, then some other skill could limit your number of Skill Injector uses per day/month or something.

But I suppose a skill limitation would also be putting a limitation on real world profits. It's rarely a good idea to tell a customer "Sorry. You can't buy and use that today. Your character doesn't have the right in game skill requirement."

whats the difference between buying enough skill points to use a titan

and buying a titan pilot. other than the fact you can choose your own name, and appearance.

the answer?
buying a premade titan pilot is cheaper. (and usually comes with saved bookmarks, saved ship builds, saved contacts, etc)

while buying the skill points to build a titan character will probably end up costing more(diminishing returns), though you can customize it a little more to your liking


in the end, its essentially the same thing.

except that if you have a large wallet, theres already freakin tons of pilots for sale. farming multiple sp in parallel costs more plex, and time, and the sp you can transfer is ALOT less than you traded (so you turn 5mill sp into...what 1mill? less?)



so in the end, seeing as how there currently is NO SET PRICE for SP, its probably safe to assume that if someone sells 1mill SP, it will cost as much as a 5mill SP character seeing as how it cost them 5mill SP to make that 1mill SP.





so the price to produce titan pilots, will in the end be more expensive than browsing the character bazaar an buying any of the titan pilots there (i just did a quick check. i counted 35 titan pilots in the first 15 pages.)

so diminishing return from SP used to make tradable SP
diminishing return for how much SP you actually recieve based on your total SP(higher total = you recieve less SP)

and its becoming VERY expensive.



so yes, if you have a big wallet you can produce alot of titan pilots....
or you can buy MORE pre made ones for alot less.




your assuming the market price for SP will be extremely cheap. before anyone has even seen how much it costs.
i'm currently betting that 1mill SP will cost around 4b (aka the normal price for a 5mill SP captain)




so the people who get the most use out of this. is the low total skill point people. with big wallets (like what happens when you spend 2 weeks mining non stop w8ing to use your next ship.......)

I responded to someone who used the titan pilot as an example.
The same applies to any other ship or skill.

Because NO RPG has any kind of requirements on items, right?