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I said something similar to this in the previous thread-naught: Provided they price the extractors so that they can be farmed for profit I will be farming skill points and along with my other income use the ISK to play for free.

I am at an OK point in EVE where I have goals but I don't mind setting them aside - So farming all my toons is not out of the question - Let the skill queue stagnation begin.

To make not so obscene money from copy/research that would be a decade too late to start. PI is a joke, not obscene amount of money. You won't be bathing in isk either from manufacturing in this severely overproduced economy. And to even a scratch a decent profit from any of those (these days especially), requires decent amount of studying and befriending 3rd party tools/excel/etc.

It's what many people have been repeating ad-nauseum: SP means nothing, it only walls (months to years depending on chosen activity) people away from what they could be doing (whether at all, or with sensible potential efficiency).

Besides, they can buy narrowly focused character on bazaar (whether directly for isk or indirectly for $$$s).

Furthermore, the only difference from not being to able to do bazaar/sp is that they would setup character and come back [many] month(s) later (if at all). SP (auto-botting XP bar) is completely disjoint from whatever one does in the game and how.

I remember posts from 2005-6 and people complaining about SP being uncatchable thorn in the side of this game. It's sad it took a whole decade more before they decided to start kicking this nonsense out. The sooner it's gone completely or becomes non-factor, the better for everyone.

Could it be done in better fashion (and more direct) ? Sure. But then the barrels of tears from SP e-peen wiggling whiners would also be notably bigger.

Hey, thanks for your answer.

I don't know what the developer team plans are exactly, but I assume they want new players. We might agree or disagree in the means, but it would be surprising if they didn't want players to come play the game they work on.

In any case, the official post states that one of the purposes of this change is to help newer players. I have been wanting to play EVE for some time. It's such a beautiful game. But the money cost was holding me from doing it. Finally, after the new year party I decided that I could allocate a few dollars per month to this. Yes, I know, this is personal background that nobody has interest in. But I just want to say that I think this new feature won't provide anything to me personally. I assume people will sell this item on the market at PLEX prices (i.e. more than a billion), and as a new player, I'm not able (or still don't know how) to make this ISK in a time that makes it worth it for the skill points. And well, assume that I can do it, but farming ISK to earn skill points doesn't seem right. You may point me to buy PLEX to sell it in the market, but I'm not going to spend money on that. Plus, and I know this might be just me, but I want my ISK balance to be the consequence of my merits playing the game, not the consequence of swiping my debit card.

Well, I just wanted to share my personal view, and explain why I think my question remains unanswered. It would be great if someone from CCP could elaborate the point on "bringing in newer players", but I know this post has already too many responses to answer everything.

Thanks for reading all this if you did!

im grabbing another bag of popcorn ! while this FLAMEFEST continues !

I have really enjoyed reading this threadnaught, especially the entire spectrum of "the sky is falling" responses that are so obviously ignorant to the current game mechanics, state of CCP's business and the MMO genre in general. This ignorance is not isolated to the newer players who could be excused for their naive rantings but rather is being pushed strongly by bittervets. Here is a mild wake up call;

1) Please direct yourself to the Character Bazaar section of the forums, for you geographically ignorant players, click on the forum index tab up on your left and then scroll down until it slaps you in the face. That's the place that has been "Pay to Win" from day one and you scrubtards have religiously bought and sold toons on there in full recognition that you were contributing to that mentality. I don't exempt myself I have bought and sold plenty of toons, some out of need, some in chase of an opportunity. It's been there quite awhile and guess what....the game lives on!

2) CCP is a business, and ALL businesses must put the bottom line before the wants of any segment of the customer base ESPECIALLY a player base as narrow focused and childish as this vocal segment. You say you've played this game for "X" years...get over yourself. Your subscription time does not grant you access to the decision making process the company has to engage in for it's survival and long term financial health. CCP has shown us a glimpse of their plans and those plans are exciting, I can't wait to experience the next iterations they have in development. But guess what, those types of things cost money, and if it angers you that CCP hasn't just come out and said this change will help fund future development then you truly are as thick headed as I envision.

3) The entire argument that "this isn't WOW or WOT" or whatever MMO you find contemptible is a farce, you are the same group of sanctimonious jackoffs who espouse the "Eve is dead" crap because logins are down. Let me clue you in to something, the majority of gamer's want to log in, play their game (pew, build or whatever) then log out and go on with their lives. Laugh all you want at WOW but they have something Eve doesn't right now and that is metric ass tons of subscribers, let me translate that for you...more people to hang with, shoot at or whatever. Easing the burden of entry in this way will probably appeal to many casual gamers looking for a new experience, it certainly won't dissuade someone who hasn't played Eve.

Eve is difficult, more challenging by far than any other MMO, the depth and breadth of options available to a player are unparalleled in any other platform. But it is still a business, whose employees careers and livelihood depend on its long term success. Making Eve less difficult by allowing an alternative to an already accepted character trading process, does not make the game less difficult nor will it ever replace the time needed behind the keyboard to find success. The entire "Pay to Win" argument overlooks this aspect of the coming change. New players garner no real benefit from this change as they still need to learn the nuances of their chosen profession, mid level veterans gain the ability to make up for lost time by ejecting wasted skills and replacing them (at a loss) with more appropriate skills. We old players are entirely unaffected by the whole thing, and that I think works as intended.

" pay to win" - you keep using that phrase, I don't think it means what you think it means.

it means i can pay for an advantage in the game if you think SP is not an advantage than you are wrong

In that case the battle was lost long ago when PLEX and the Bazaar were introduced. That or isk one didn't need to earn and characters one didn't need to wait to train aren't advantages.

And if that last one isn't a problem, that creates some issues for opposing this idea.

I have owned, sold and bought several businesses irl, I always kept sight of what my current customers wanted but never took my eye off what my future customers may want. Two immutable truths in business; 1) Sale covers all sins 2) If you aren't growing your dying.

And yet, you still overlook the Character Bazaar....you know....that place you have been able to buy SP's in the form of characters for years now.