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Dev blog: Skill trading in New Eden

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Alexis Nightwish
#681 - 2016-01-20 00:08:20 UTC
Bit late to the party, and I'm sure this will be ignored just as the 300+ page threadnaught clearly was, but I brought it up to a friend who I've tried to get into EVE a few times:

Me: Got a few minutes to read something?
Me: I'd like your opinion on it.
Friend: sure
Me: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/skill-trading-in-new-eden/
Friend: Looks cool
Friend: That's about all I would have an account for
Friend: selling skill points
Me: It costs AUR which is microtransaction monies to drain SP from a character.
Friend: lame
Me: You can get AUR by converting PLEX, and you can get PLEX with in game ISK.
Me: So you can buy AUR with RL money, or with in game money.
Friend: So they're adding more pay to win to the game
Friend: those guys with the multiple accounts will just buy more accounts
Friend: and pay for skillpoints
Me: If you were new to EVE Online and saw this option what would your reaction be?
Friend: me personally?
Me: Yeah
Me: You play a lot of games
Friend: I'd prob just leave cause I don't play pay to win games


Well there we go. I'll never get him to join.

But from me to you CCP:

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CCP approaches problems in one of two ways: nudge or cludge

EVE Online's "I win!" Button

Fixing bombs, not the bombers

Nootex Dox
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#682 - 2016-01-20 00:08:30 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
This is going to hurt new player retention more than help it. With skill trading, the new player experience goes directly from "I have to train for weeks and months or spend a LOT of money (which the vast majority of people don't do) and buy a character to be effective" to "my rate of advancement is now tied to how big my wallet is".




Yep CCP are screwing us again with that New Eden store crap
Zavia Uristis
Numvisia
#683 - 2016-01-20 00:10:09 UTC
Hi there,

I'm a new player myself and I have a question.

This is a quote from the dev post:

Quote:
We weren’t sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that you’re also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players or give you more freedom with your own characters.


My question is: How is this going to help bringing in newer players?
Nootex Dox
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#684 - 2016-01-20 00:13:43 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
This is going to hurt new player retention more than help it. With skill trading, the new player experience goes directly from "I have to train for weeks and months or spend a LOT of money (which the vast majority of people don't do) and buy a character to be effective" to "my rate of advancement is now tied to how big my wallet is".



Yes CCP are screwing us over again with that ******* New Eden Store crap... Like Sub or Plexes are not enough no no no they wonna milk us dry...


Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor” - Out with New Eden Store and “Skill Extractor”
Nootex Dox
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#685 - 2016-01-20 00:16:45 UTC
ohh glad a other game like this is comeing out, but just with incarna and cockpits.

Cough Cough SC FTW !

Backer hell year !
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#686 - 2016-01-20 00:31:52 UTC
Alexis Nightwish wrote:
Bit late to the party, and I'm sure this will be ignored just as the 300+ page threadnaught clearly was, but I brought it up to a friend who I've tried to get into EVE a few times:

Me: Got a few minutes to read something?
Me: I'd like your opinion on it.
Friend: sure
Me: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/skill-trading-in-new-eden/
Friend: Looks cool
Friend: That's about all I would have an account for
Friend: selling skill points
Me: It costs AUR which is microtransaction monies to drain SP from a character.
Friend: lame
Me: You can get AUR by converting PLEX, and you can get PLEX with in game ISK.
Me: So you can buy AUR with RL money, or with in game money.
Friend: So they're adding more pay to win to the game
Friend: those guys with the multiple accounts will just buy more accounts
Friend: and pay for skillpoints
Me: If you were new to EVE Online and saw this option what would your reaction be?
Friend: me personally?
Me: Yeah
Me: You play a lot of games
Friend: I'd prob just leave cause I don't play pay to win games


Well there we go. I'll never get him to join.

But from me to you CCP:

                      /´¯/)
                    ,/¯  /
                   /    /
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          /'/   /    /       /¨¯\
        ('(   ´   ´     ¯~/'   ')
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Mercur Fighter
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#687 - 2016-01-20 00:39:30 UTC
Ralph Drake wrote:
Please, CCP, let us be able to remove 0-skill-points skills from our sheet. I don't want the skill book back or anything, I am just obsessive.


Unfortunately I don't think CCP caters to OCD needs :( Now if a majority of the players are OCD, they might.
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#688 - 2016-01-20 00:49:37 UTC
Great, if this goes ahead I'll burn a few alts and create a pure pvp 2016 char for a laugh. Might as well get some fun out of the game before it fizzles out. Surprised they are still risking going ahead with this considering the negative feedback from the last post.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#689 - 2016-01-20 01:00:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Alexis Nightwish wrote:
Bit late to the party, and I'm sure this will be ignored just as the 300+ page threadnaught clearly was, but I brought it up to a friend who I've tried to get into EVE a few times:

Me: Got a few minutes to read something?
Me: I'd like your opinion on it.
Friend: sure
Me: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/skill-trading-in-new-eden/
Friend: Looks cool
Friend: That's about all I would have an account for
Friend: selling skill points
Me: It costs AUR which is microtransaction monies to drain SP from a character.
Friend: lame
Me: You can get AUR by converting PLEX, and you can get PLEX with in game ISK.
Me: So you can buy AUR with RL money, or with in game money.
Friend: So they're adding more pay to win to the game
Friend: those guys with the multiple accounts will just buy more accounts
Friend: and pay for skillpoints
Me: If you were new to EVE Online and saw this option what would your reaction be?
Friend: me personally?
Me: Yeah
Me: You play a lot of games
Friend: I'd prob just leave cause I don't play pay to win games


Well there we go. I'll never get him to join.

But from me to you CCP:

                      /´¯/)
                    ,/¯  /
                   /    /
             /´¯/'   '/´¯¯`·¸
          /'/   /    /       /¨¯\
        ('(   ´   ´     ¯~/'   ')
         \                 '     /
          ''   \           _ ·´
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Yes that's another thing I've been trying to explain to people but alas. This whole "think of the newbies" is (as it always has been) a lie. Newbies will look at this, see a whiff of P2W and go "so I have to pay extra to catch up" and won't even bother playing. There's only four reasons people are in favour of this idea.


a) they want to get rid of some skills because their OCD demands it (so it's for selfish reasons)

b) they have some old high SP chars they don't have a use for any more and they'll bleed that one for personal use (so for selfish reasons)

c) they see a new market they can dive into, preferably one where they create their own supply and demand, quite possibly with RMT in mind (so for selfish reasons). This is what large "newbro" entities will be doing

d) someone rich going "lol, I'll make an OP alt. This will be fun"


So CCP, and parts of the CSM it seems, listened to their :logic: about how it would be good for the game & newbies and they gobbled it up, they fell for it because they're not intelligent enough to see through it. And personally I'm not interested in playing a game who's DEVS are too stupid to poop to a point where they require constant "wtf are you doing CCP" by each and every CSM, year after year. THIS time CCP did something truly ******** and I want no part of it.

Goodbye EVE.
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#690 - 2016-01-20 01:07:56 UTC
A lot of people are very afraid that people with a big CC can get high on skill-points very quick.

To mitigate that I proposed in the original thread that you could make a limit for players in amounts of packages consumed.

Say, 2 each year.

Then you can progress a jump forward, but you limit growth overall.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

Edwin Wyatt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#691 - 2016-01-20 01:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Edwin Wyatt
CCP Phantom wrote:
A couple months ago we introduced the idea of Skill Trading which resulted in lots of valuable feedback. After going through a lot of feedback while refining the design, we would like to be add Skill Trading to New Eden and it is currently scheduled for our February release.

Please read the latest blog from CCP Rise and Team Size Matters Skill trading in New Eden for all the details.

We welcome all your feedback, thank you!



I want to start by saying I like the concept but this is the typical business model we come to except from CCP?
Milk you customers until they're dry?
Are we to expect every new feature will have some type of monetary value attached it.
Seriously think about what your about to do and the message its sending to the community.

Why do we need to have an AUR item other than it puts money in CCP pocket. STOP this now before you **** off more of your customers.

Simple solution.

1. allow players to extract any level of any skill by using the skill book of the skill in question and attach the level extracted onto the skill book which player can then sell on the open market to whomever.

2. allow players to extract SP to a SP pool on the character to distribute how they feel. this should have a cost involved and should have something similar to jump fatigue so that players aren't change there skills weekly.

Done. See when you stop seeing your customers as cash cows, it ends up being really simple.

Edwin
Cixi
#692 - 2016-01-20 01:23:17 UTC
CCP is not a charity Roll I don't know how anyone expect a feature like this to be free.
Edwin Wyatt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#693 - 2016-01-20 01:25:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Edwin Wyatt
Cixi wrote:
CCP is not a charity Roll I don't know how anyone expect a feature like this to be free.



Maybe you didn't read their avert, FREE UPDATES with monthly subscription.

Every feature in EVE has been free since day one until they added the New Eden Store. And how did that end for CCP?

It "Monoclegate" all over again!


http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/

Im only quote from the article but have we all forgot CEO himself calling for people to cash in on the cash cows?

all about the company's microtransaction plans was purportedly leaked. In it, plans to sell ships, ammo, and faction standings for cash were revealed, plans that strictly contradict previous promises on gameplay-affecting microtransactions. Shortly afterward, all hell broke loose as a private internal memo from CCP CEO Hilmar was leaked to the press.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#694 - 2016-01-20 01:29:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Edwin Wyatt wrote:
Cixi wrote:
CCP is not a charity Roll I don't know how anyone expect a feature like this to be free.
Maybe you didn't read their avert, FREE UPDATES with monthly subscription.
Maybe you didn't understand what you read. No one is charging you for this update.

Using this feature takes someones money, but no one ever stated that was free.

Edwin Wyatt wrote:
Every feature in EVE has been free since day one until they added the New Eden Store. And how did that end for CCP?
Just fine, the NES is more populated with stuff of more varieties than it's ever been.

Also no, PLEX isn't free and was around prior to AUR/NEX/NES.
Cixi
#695 - 2016-01-20 01:30:48 UTC
Edwin Wyatt wrote:
Cixi wrote:
CCP is not a charity Roll I don't know how anyone expect a feature like this to be free.



Maybe you didn't read their avert, FREE UPDATES with monthly subscription.

Every feature in EVE has been free since day one until they added the New Eden Store. And how did that end for CCP?

It "Monoclegate" all over again!


http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/



You don't have to pay real money to benefit from this... someone else has to, but it's the same as plexes.
Edwin Wyatt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#696 - 2016-01-20 01:34:15 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Edwin Wyatt wrote:
Cixi wrote:
CCP is not a charity Roll I don't know how anyone expect a feature like this to be free.
Maybe you didn't read their avert, FREE UPDATES with monthly subscription.
Maybe you didn't understand what you read. No one is charging you for this update.

Using this feature takes someones money, but no one ever stated that was free.



Their is no reason for it to have a monetary value to it. Other than to put money into CCP pockets. which they get enough from subscriptions already! Next you will be charged for docking and undocking at NPC stations. Please insert CC here to dock!


Enjoy paying for your new feature, ill spend my money on something more entertaining.

Cixi
#697 - 2016-01-20 01:36:39 UTC
Edwin Wyatt wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Edwin Wyatt wrote:
Cixi wrote:
CCP is not a charity Roll I don't know how anyone expect a feature like this to be free.
Maybe you didn't read their avert, FREE UPDATES with monthly subscription.
Maybe you didn't understand what you read. No one is charging you for this update.

Using this feature takes someones money, but no one ever stated that was free.



Their is no reason for it to have a monetary value to it. Other than to put money into CCP pockets. which they get enough from subscriptions already! Next you will be charged for docking and undocking at NPC stations. Please insert CC here to dock!


Enjoy paying for your new feature, ill spend my money on something more entertaining.



Oh please enlight us with your knowledge about CCP finances. This feature is a direct competitor for character transfer, which require money (2plex each) so it's obvious that it needs a monetary value.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#698 - 2016-01-20 01:38:43 UTC
Edwin Wyatt wrote:
Their is no reason for it to have a monetary value to it. Other than to put money into CCP pockets. which they get enough from subscriptions already! Next you will be charged for docking and undocking at NPC stations. Please insert CC here to dock!

Enjoy paying for your new feature, ill spend my money on something more entertaining.
The reason is because it's consistent with prior decisions. PLEX cost more than a sub, essentially paying for the privilege of transfer. Character transfers cost 2 PLEX (or cash) for the same reason. Now SP has a cost to transfer.

And no, I won't be paying for anything. I actually have the capacity to make decisions myself about purchases in a game and know the slippery slopes and mandates to spend are BS.
Memphis Baas
#699 - 2016-01-20 01:51:19 UTC
Bye Gregor Parud Sad
Jayden Thomas
The Filth Columnists
#700 - 2016-01-20 02:16:43 UTC
We're gonna have 2016 toons flying t2 fit command ships in no time. That's cool. Thanks CCP!