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Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#661 - 2016-01-19 22:31:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Iowa Banshee
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Iowa Banshee wrote:
Whoohoo - I hadn't though of that - I know several people I can phone up and ask them to use the PLEX grace period to trade some extractor and fill em-up for some cheap skill points.

Is this against the EULA ? - If it is would giving them a PLEX to make the account active before I strip-mine it be OK?

.... and at no time would I ever consider offering real life cash for them to do this trade also I would never consider advertising online for people with redundant accounts to do this as that would also be against the EULA terms

Oh my, did you also take all the ships and stuff off their accounts as well for nothing in return?

And transfer all their isk?

Hmm...


If the character is good, sell on bazaar and transfer all the isk.


Mostly they left because of real life issues and have already given all their stuff away - trading at a station is free and if they sold me their toon through the bazaar it would cost an ALT
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#662 - 2016-01-19 22:34:35 UTC
Now we're really getting started.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#663 - 2016-01-19 22:37:05 UTC
Do you think www.WeBuyUglyEveAccounts.com is a bit blatant
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#664 - 2016-01-19 22:37:08 UTC
Proddy Scun wrote:
I see a problem with this whole process.

1) First CCP should probably raise minimum SP for extraction to 12 million or 6 months subscribed pay.

Because lots of defunct short term accounts exist with unsalable non-trial toons with over 1 million in SP. Toons with less than 12M SP are normally especially hard to sell. But you can get 20+ extractions from a toon played for 6 months and only reactivated for 1 month (or just the free 3-4 hour grace period CCP grants to obtain PLEX if CCP is not careful).

Sometimes these accounts are owned by the injection profiting player from past attempts at multiple account play (almost fair recovery of costs). But I predict injections will more often come from toons and accounts friends invited who quit or others just gotten via networking.

Invite a lot of people and convince them to pay 1st month fee at very start. Lets you make sure they fill training queue. When they quit before paying 2nd month, make sure you got their account and password captured (maybe when you help them install EVE on computer). Kinda gray for CCP since these are quite likely not recruiting many long term players. But 30 day trial plus 1 month paid = roughly +3.5M SP potentially. Call it 5 extractions.




2) Beyond that massive amount of short term account toons, there are other accounts.

Hacked accounts. Now they can steal more than just ISK and assets.

Old junk toons from people who quit EVE long ago (hey buddy what was your account and password?) . EVE is what 13 years old = lots of dead toons. Same as before but toons may have lots more than 12M SP. Call up that buddy who had 150M SP but got serious GF or married and was given the ultimatum.

Heck there will be GF & wives logging on behind players backs to sell off SP when the SP extraction feature leaks to the EVE affected crowd. Would you keep playing after your GF/wife reduced your toons to 1M SP?

"Unplayable" toons that excessive ganking has -10 with every NPC and player faction/alliance. Got everyone in the world after that toon? Just move the 30% of SP that you can retain to another toon. Obtain a few toons to suck dry elsewhere.


No, you need a minimum 5 mil SP to extract 500K SP, so you would need at least 5.5 mil SP (roughly 3 months training) for 1 extractor.


Starting a fresh character with SP from an existing one - 50 mil SP is more than enough to specialize but if it is ganking toons your after, your prerequisites are far lower - 5 to 10 mil SP is more than enough and can be moved around with minimal SP loss.
Really though, there is no such thing as an "unplayable" character - Ask Kill2.

TSP's could turn out to be a boon for the budding alliance and corp thieves, although it is likely to add a few months to achieving their goals. Join corp, work into trusted position (not hard with a lot of groups), rob them, use part of the proceeds to move SP from the now known thief to a brand new character, biomass, rinse and repeat. As long as your a successful thief, you should be able to keep your SP up.

PS; Giving a GF/ Wife who dislikes you playing Eve your password - You deserve everything that could happen.Roll

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
MiSANTHR0PE
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#665 - 2016-01-19 22:41:20 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
I'm pretty ambivalent regarding the entire notion of skill trading. I'm hard-pressed to really find anything overly objectionable (to me) about the idea itself. This part of the blog really stood out to me, however:

Quote:
The blog sparked a really great discussion in the EVE community. We decided to be fairly hands off and see where it would lead without us trying to persuade anyone. We weren’t sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that you’re also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players or give you more freedom with your own characters. After going through a lot of feedback while refining the design, I am now here to announce that we will be adding Skill Trading to New Eden and it is currently scheduled for our February release.


Did you guys hire a Fox News staffer to ghost write this?

On its very best day, the response to this idea could never be described as anything other than, "Extremely contentious." Making it sound like it has been predominantly supported and, as good little Devs, you've listened to the community, is weapons-grade PR spin.


It's because CCP doesn't read their own forums & use Reddit instead. (The idea didn't go down too bad over there)
Cixi
#666 - 2016-01-19 22:44:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Cixi
Sgt Ocker wrote:

PS; Giving a GF/ Wife who dislikes you playing Eve your password - You deserve everything that could happen.Roll


NEVER share your credentials Big smile
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#667 - 2016-01-19 22:46:52 UTC
Cixi wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:

PS; Giving a GF/ Wife who dislikes you playing Eve your password - You deserve everything that could happen.Roll


NEVER share your credetials Big smile

You probably shouldn't brag to them about how this new item CCP is putting in is awesome and you will start 1000 alts to make use of it....

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Cixi
#668 - 2016-01-19 22:58:53 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Cixi wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:

PS; Giving a GF/ Wife who dislikes you playing Eve your password - You deserve everything that could happen.Roll


NEVER share your credetials Big smile

You probably shouldn't brag to them about how this new item CCP is putting in is awesome and you will start 1000 alts to make use of it....


Soon on EvE Online: https://i.imgur.com/Dy9Sjwi.jpg
Doppleganger
Federated Holdings
#669 - 2016-01-19 23:00:26 UTC
MiSANTHR0PE wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
I'm pretty ambivalent regarding the entire notion of skill trading. I'm hard-pressed to really find anything overly objectionable (to me) about the idea itself. This part of the blog really stood out to me, however:

Quote:
The blog sparked a really great discussion in the EVE community. We decided to be fairly hands off and see where it would lead without us trying to persuade anyone. We weren’t sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that you’re also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players or give you more freedom with your own characters. After going through a lot of feedback while refining the design, I am now here to announce that we will be adding Skill Trading to New Eden and it is currently scheduled for our February release.


Did you guys hire a Fox News staffer to ghost write this?

On its very best day, the response to this idea could never be described as anything other than, "Extremely contentious." Making it sound like it has been predominantly supported and, as good little Devs, you've listened to the community, is weapons-grade PR spin.


It's because CCP doesn't read their own forums & use Reddit instead. (The idea didn't go down too bad over there)




Thats what went through my mind when I read that line in the blog....... well of course CCP didnt see all the discontent on the eve forums last time and thats because they only read reddit forums.
Pine Marten
Doomheim
#670 - 2016-01-19 23:02:08 UTC

No one sees all the fun stuff that will be happening. Soon we will have newbies flying around in redicoulous fitted ships, since they dont know what they are doing. I, for one, are looking forward to all that shiny loot.
Josef Djugashvilis
#671 - 2016-01-19 23:15:10 UTC
Pine Marten wrote:

No one sees all the fun stuff that will be happening. Soon we will have newbies flying around in redicoulous fitted ships, since they dont know what they are doing. I, for one, are looking forward to all that shiny loot.


This is where it all gets rather confusing.

On the one hand 'cash for skills' is being promoted as a way of retaining new players - bigger shinier ships more quickly etc.

On the other hand, many have said how much fun it will be smashing new players who have the skill points to fly ships but not the in-game know-how to use them properly, which may well result in the very same new players quitting the game as they keep losing their shiny new ships.

One rather suspects that CCP have been blinded to the possible down side of this by the potential isk signs in front of their eyes Smile

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Zeddrick Anthar
Golden Orb Ate My Grandma
#672 - 2016-01-19 23:16:06 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Why do you guys assume that there will be this limitless supply of injectors? Cause personally I'm not sure we'll even see ONE.

I sure don't need "extra cash", and if I do, selling a PLEX is certainly more effective, and my SP are quite precious, so I don't plan on removing any of them.

So where do you see all these vast amounts of skillpoints coming from?


-> Buy a pair of PLEX for ISK.
-> Activate the training queue on an alt.
-> Train for a month.
-> Use the second PLEX to extract 4 skill packets (it might end up being 3 PLEXES)
-> Sell on market for more than the 2 (or 3) PLEX cost
-> Repeat.

People will be able to do that with a lot of alts. I've got about 5 that I could switch on right away and another 10 I'd just need to give a couple of million SP to get started. People will use this as a passive ISK making method until the price of PLEX goes up so high it becomes unviable or until there are more skill packets than demand, but I imagine demand will be very high.
Proddy Scun
Doomheim
#673 - 2016-01-19 23:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Proddy Scun
Iowa Banshee wrote:
helana Tsero wrote:
Proddy Scun wrote:
I see a problem with this whole process.

1) First CCP should probably raise minimum SP for extraction to 12 million or 6 months subscribed pay.

Because lots of defunct short term accounts exist with unsalable non-trial toons with over 1 million in SP. Toons with less than 12M SP are normally especially hard to sell. But you can get 20+ extractions from a toon played for 6 months and only reactivated for 1 month (or just the free 3-4 hour grace period CCP grants to obtain PLEX if CCP is not careful).

Sometimes these accounts are owned by the injection profiting player from past attempts at multiple account play (almost fair recovery of costs). But I predict injections will more often come from toons and accounts friends invited who quit or others just gotten via networking.

Invite a lot of people and convince them to pay 1st month fee at very start. Lets you make sure they fill training queue. When they quit before paying 2nd month, make sure you got their account and password captured (maybe when you help them install EVE on computer). Kinda gray for CCP since these are quite likely not recruiting many long term players. But 30 day trial plus 1 month paid = roughly +3.5M SP potentially. Call it 5 extractions.




2) Beyond that massive amount of short term account toons, there are other accounts.

Hacked accounts. Now they can steal more than just ISK and assets.

Old junk toons from people who quit EVE long ago (hey buddy what was your account and password?) . EVE is what 13 years old = lots of dead toons. Same as before but toons may have lots more than 12M SP. Call up that buddy who had 150M SP but got serious GF or married and was given the ultimatum.

Heck there will be GF & wives logging on behind players backs to sell off SP when the SP extraction feature leaks to the EVE affected crowd. Would you keep playing after your GF/wife reduced your toons to 1M SP?

"Unplayable" toons that excessive ganking has -10 with every NPC and player faction/alliance. Got everyone in the world after that toon? Just move the 30% of SP that you can retain to another toon. Obtain a few toons to suck dry elsewhere.



Do u sleep in a bed made of tinfoil and use a 13 layer headwrap ?


Whoohoo - I hadn't though of that - I know several people I can phone up and ask them to use the PLEX grace period to trade some extractor and fill em-up for some cheap skill points.

Is this against the EULA ? - If it is would giving them a PLEX to make the account active before I strip-mine it be OK?

.... and at no time would I ever consider offering real life cash for them to do this trade also I would never consider advertising online for people with redundant accounts to do this as that would also be against the EULA terms




Well to stay in EULA you have to go through character trading protocol and get the toon in your account. Cost was 1 PLEX last I looked. Getting a player who quit to work up the interest to help you do trade in EULA is the hard part. But I suspect there are people with 1+ willing friends who quit after 3-10 years play. Growing families or work are great EVE killers. All legal since its not quite free - even if you can potentially get over x100 your investment as in-game return for one 10 year account.

But within EULA action was only half my point. CCP like most game companies have lots of problems with "farmers" and other out of EULA transactions. I am sure that if you "farmed" too many accounts directly into your main online account you would be detected and banned by CCP even if CCP runs this idea "as is". But if players are smart they could make it very difficult for CCP. Enough to have significant advantages to select individuals and possibly some effect on market etc in game overall if widely enough exploited.

I am talking that as it stands there will be some unresolved exploitation because the standard procedure used by cheaters to hide exploits still works here. They just use an array (1 per sale) of trial toons at different free public WiFi access points tro launder the transactions. Thus their home IP is not closely associated with buying or selling injectors at below market price from abandon accounts. Putting several throwaway accounts in middle of transfer process introduces reasonable doubt especially when many other people are making similar transactions.

So yes these guys put a little work into this. Yeah you can argue that if anyone who makes really good wages it doesn't seem cost-effective over just buying PLEX. Some people just like to cheat. And not everyone make good wages & those trips to free WiFi areas are often part of some peoples normal movements as well (MickyDees lunch time). LOL if you got a remote desktop open to market or someone at home to press the button, its pretty hard to connect that injector placed on market for 100 ISK in remote Derlik station by a trial account at Micky Dees with the regular player account at home that finally buys it less than 30 seconds later.

P.S.Even Microsoft remote desktop is automation against EULA but CCP has difficulty banning folk for having it on their Windows machine since its part of normal install and usage. CCP might be able to detect remote software as source of click rather than hardware though. IDK any smart exploiters to tell me more specifics. Hmmm...EVE special secure virtual machine with specialized OS in future to prevent exploits?

P.P.S. CCP could clean up a lot by prohibiting trial accounts from buying and selling certain things on market. Similar to when not letting them transfer ISK outbound. And no I have no idea how big an exploit opportunity thhis will actually prove to be. I just have concerns that maybe some easy measures should put in place to reduce the scope of what CCP needs to watch.
Zeddrick Anthar
Golden Orb Ate My Grandma
#674 - 2016-01-19 23:22:57 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Udonor wrote:
Papa Django wrote:
How many million Aur will the tear, err I mean Skill Extractor cost?


It is the last relevant question.

Any debate before the answer is completly irrelevant (if we ignore the bittervet ocean of tears).

If the goal is to help newbros, the AUR price must be low. If the price is too high, it will only help rich people (irl) and rich people (ig) to build insta-alts.

500K sp is 8 days of training for a x1 skill. ?



the price as far as AUR is concerned is almost irrelevant since there is a set time taken to generate 500ksp there will be a limited supply people with isk will buy all these up as they go to the market shooting the price up


i'll say it again the only way for a newbro to gain access to this is going to be via plex and that is not healthy to the game particularly a subscription based one


No, the AUR price is really important. Once people farm this it will push the PLEX price up and the more the extractor costs the faster the PLEX price will be pushed up. New characters paying for SP is actually a good thing here because they'll bring the PLEX price back down again. It could also be good for the character too if they buy an initial lump of SP then train and slowly sell back to the market to PLEX their account.

Imagine if instead of starting with no SP and training 10 million SP over 6 months you could start with 10 million SP (by paying a lump sum) and then effectively have no training for the first 6 months while you extract the SP and use it to PLEX the account. It'd be just like buying a 6 month subscription in terms of cost but the toon would be a lot more useful on day 1.
Nootex Dox
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#675 - 2016-01-19 23:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Nootex Dox
ShockedShockedShocked No No No ShockedShockedShocked “Skill Extractor” and New Eden Store ShockedShockedShocked No No No !!! Not again! ShockedShockedShocked

Make it a player item ! Or just not at all, not all that money sucking **** !

You guys get enough money...!!!




No to New Eden Store crap store, yes to player driven item !



Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR - Out with AUR.
MiSANTHR0PE
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#676 - 2016-01-19 23:37:08 UTC  |  Edited by: MiSANTHR0PE
Pine Marten wrote:

No one sees all the fun stuff that will be happening. Soon we will have newbies flying around in redicoulous fitted ships, since they dont know what they are doing. I, for one, are looking forward to all that shiny loot.


Except, It's not really for newbros is it, the two most common complaints for newbros are along the lines of

1:Oh sp's passive, it will take me forever to catch up and be of any use
2:How do we earn enough isk to plex our accounts

Number two kinda make number one a moot point.

sure I expect some guys will go balls deep and buy all the sp's they think they need, just like the guys that join up buy plex and loose them in ibis or un-dock a a few bill's worth of faction\officer fitted battleship, then there quit and bad mouth the game when they realise that they still useless, but this does happen already regardless of being able to buy sp

It's nothing more than a cash grab by a business, and will mainly be used by vets burning alts they don't use to buff there main or for re-speccing them mining skills they don't want

It doesn't affect (effect? too stoned) me at all, I have 30 mil sp and don't feel I have wasted any of it

But what happens after this?

Gold ammo world of tanks style? oh lets do away with attributes and implants and sell sp\xp boosters!

I don't want to do the whole "eve is dying thing" I love and adore eve to bits, but it is a very old game, it's very dated, surprisingly very unheard of by many & extremely niche, blatant cash grab is blatant
MECHcore
Saiyans United
#677 - 2016-01-19 23:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: MECHcore
Unfortunatly, but this seems to me as the beginning of the end.

Loads of people will buy plex, to buy SP on the market, my guess is that there wont be enough extractions to feed everyone, prices will go up, and some will then buy more and more plex, right into the bank account of CCP.

No problem with CCP shovelling money, but to get more players into the game they come up with this, a smart move idd, but a stab in the back towards loyal players, myself almost 12 years playing, now the new kid around the block with hes daddies credit card, will just buy him those 12 years of training.

Where o where is the time that if you wanted to accomplish something ingame that you had to work hard for it ? And actually some sense of proudness afterwards, ( Yes its possible in a game ).

:O CCP this game once beloved by many because it was on hard mode is now starting to shake on its foundations, soon if not allready people will fight over regions with their credit card, where there was once skill and hard work that made the outcome, it will be fatty Cartman dudes that recently joined the game with a bag of money/chips at their desk, buying all the SP and titans they want, even loyalty.

Some loyal players including me are getting somehow frustrated with the changes past years.

-Lets get newer players 800k SP, so their missing the joy starting from 0. ( Back in the days i mined 3k isk/h with my Ibis, working my way up hours and hours to be able to buy and fit a T1 Bantam frig Blink )
-Reverse engineering, making my T2 bpo's almost obsolete.
-A tower in high sec.. In the past you had to work your ass of to get the faction standings.
-Plex, lets get everyone to raise their credit card, so half of eve flies a titan.
-Same with being able to buy SP now.

The game is getting way to easy, and more mainstream, not standing out as this crazy hard unique game that people had to try, the fun factor is starting to vaporize aswell.

Before the end of the year my char might go into hibernation if this goes on, few will care anyway, allmost all me ingame m8s allready left because of the former changes Straight ( Celestial Apocalypse if some oldies remember )

Ah well just my 2cents.

(Sry for my bad English )
Proddy Scun
Doomheim
#678 - 2016-01-19 23:58:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Proddy Scun
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Proddy Scun wrote:
I see a problem with this whole process.

1) First CCP should probably raise minimum SP for extraction to 12 million or 6 months subscribed pay.

Because lots of defunct short term accounts exist with unsalable non-trial toons with over 1 million in SP. Toons with less than 12M SP are normally especially hard to sell. But you can get 20+ extractions from a toon played for 6 months and only reactivated for 1 month (or just the free 3-4 hour grace period CCP grants to obtain PLEX if CCP is not careful).

Sometimes these accounts are owned by the injection profiting player from past attempts at multiple account play (almost fair recovery of costs). But I predict injections will more often come from toons and accounts friends invited who quit or others just gotten via networking.

Invite a lot of people and convince them to pay 1st month fee at very start. Lets you make sure they fill training queue. When they quit before paying 2nd month, make sure you got their account and password captured (maybe when you help them install EVE on computer). Kinda gray for CCP since these are quite likely not recruiting many long term players. But 30 day trial plus 1 month paid = roughly +3.5M SP potentially. Call it 5 extractions.




2) Beyond that massive amount of short term account toons, there are other accounts.

Hacked accounts. Now they can steal more than just ISK and assets.

Old junk toons from people who quit EVE long ago (hey buddy what was your account and password?) . EVE is what 13 years old = lots of dead toons. Same as before but toons may have lots more than 12M SP. Call up that buddy who had 150M SP but got serious GF or married and was given the ultimatum.

Heck there will be GF & wives logging on behind players backs to sell off SP when the SP extraction feature leaks to the EVE affected crowd. Would you keep playing after your GF/wife reduced your toons to 1M SP?

"Unplayable" toons that excessive ganking has -10 with every NPC and player faction/alliance. Got everyone in the world after that toon? Just move the 30% of SP that you can retain to another toon. Obtain a few toons to suck dry elsewhere.


No, you need a minimum 5 mil SP to extract 500K SP, so you would need at least 5.5 mil SP (roughly 3 months training) for 1 extractor.


Starting a fresh character with SP from an existing one - 50 mil SP is more than enough to specialize but if it is ganking toons your after, your prerequisites are far lower - 5 to 10 mil SP is more than enough and can be moved around with minimal SP loss.
Really though, there is no such thing as an "unplayable" character - Ask Kill2.

TSP's could turn out to be a boon for the budding alliance and corp thieves, although it is likely to add a few months to achieving their goals. Join corp, work into trusted position (not hard with a lot of groups), rob them, use part of the proceeds to move SP from the now known thief to a brand new character, biomass, rinse and repeat. As long as your a successful thief, you should be able to keep your SP up.

PS; Giving a GF/ Wife who dislikes you playing Eve your password - You deserve everything that could happen.Roll


You need to re-read the blog.

5M SP is merely the highest total SP where you RECEIVE the full 500K SP contained when using an injection to increase your SP. If you got more SP total, your toon gets fewer SP from receiving an injection.

When EXTRACTing SP to create an injection from an extractor tool -- it always removes 500K SP. But unless CCP has changed it (thread TLDR) you can continue to extract SP from a victim toon until that toon has only 1M. Total SP otherwise has no effect on the extraction process.


LOL - I put quotes around "unplayable" for a reason. Was speaking what the majority of players would call "unplayable" when purchasing a toon. Ones most people won't pay ISK to own even if they are looking for a toon. Ones most people won't sacrifice a toon slot for even if you pay the transfer cost between accounts.

Yeah GF/wife issue was meant as a minor example. Though the issue would be not logging out more often than giving password. YOu have seen how many people are AFK for hours (heck whole day is not uncommon). But password on old sticky attached to monitor would close second. And like you say 80% of the ones I seen deserved some sort of punishment for being stupid about women (hooking up with scary ones & then being openly arrogant in their neglect).

Thieves...
LOL there goes one of the last major reasons to ask for full API. Join and corp gives access to hangar because you cannot fly the important ships without months of training. Then just add SP and skills in middle of night and fly off with anythin
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#679 - 2016-01-20 00:03:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Primary This Rifter
This is going to hurt new player retention more than help it. With skill trading, the new player experience goes directly from "I have to train for weeks and months or spend a LOT of money (which the vast majority of people don't do) and buy a character to be effective" to "my rate of advancement is now tied to how big my wallet is".
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#680 - 2016-01-20 00:07:36 UTC
Proddy Scun wrote:
Thieves...
LOL there goes one of the last major reasons to ask for full API. Join and corp gives access to hangar because you cannot fly the important ships without months of training. Then just add SP and skills in middle of night and fly off with anything.
The value of a full API won't change in the least. The fact that you can buy skills in no way means you did or that the skills you bought are the ones the corp recruiting you wants. Every other reason for a full API is in no way affected.