EVE General Discussion

Nope, last night. "Large fight" doesn't mean "epic huge TiDi fight". The clashes I've been in in Detorid this last week have been fun, mostly when we've been able to ignore these terrible small gang-centric sov fights. Hell, we did some old school POS bashing last night, that was more fun that whackamole sov.

The so-called competition games can't do what i experienced over this last holiday and weekend, and aren't trying to. I'm so very happy that they are in development because it means people who like that kind of smaller scale jet fighter action will have a place to go finally. A place that isn't here.



Good. But EVe will last much longer than that, because not all gamers are 'immersion and instant gratification seekers'. I read your post in the Star citizen thread and there is nothing about this that i find even remotely interesting. So you'll have your place where you can play space pilot or space crew member or space marine, and folks like me will still have our old boring spread-sheets in space that we actually like. And everyone is happy.

Goal posts went >>>>>>>> way

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Very well.

EVE was growing at its fastest rate while it was possible to tank concord, concord response times were slower than today, all ships had much less tank and it was possible to gank stuff using fully insured battaleships that were effectively free.

That alone proved the comment that violence in EVE drives away players away is rubbish, the decline happened after all of the above was removed or heavily nerfed. So what I said is true, the population dropped at a point where you were never safer.

That's not proof, that's you stating an opinion. And are you seriously suggesting that vast swathes of people left EVE because concord can't be tanked anymore and response times are quicker? You're saying that gankers are so pathetic that changes to their gameplay style which make it more challenging cause them to quit en masse? Seems to me that there's no provable causal link between space violence and player count, and it's more likely that the cause of the dropoff was the natural evolution of an aging MMO.

The real question around space violence vs population is whether modern day gamers would be more attracted to a game if they weren't killed and trolled by veteran players shortly after arrival, and whether or not CCP wants to increase server population or settle with a small, shrinking MMO.

So removed clone costs weren't a buff? And the bowhead wasn't? Both of these things were mentioned too.

You warp the pod off, it cant die in highsec unless you chose to let it happen. Clone costs mean nothing.





We use stations, we didn't even bother to use the orca.

Quoting the wrong person... don't attribute his posts to me please.

And buffs to ganking? How about the 700dps Catalyst, polarized weapons, Attack BC's, Artillery changes, blaster changes, slowing down barge/orca/frighter warp speeds, reducing the base hp of freighters and now SP injection for ready made day 1 BC gankers.

Yes CCP did some things to make it harder, they did some things to make it easier too. Today I see complete carebears doing it.

Again, doesn't matter. Baltec you are trying to tie two unrelated things together. Ganking and growth or contraction of server population. They are not complimentary or mutually exclusive systems my friend.

More expensive than the old brutix, battleships, thrasher etc that we used to use.



How to make a gank ship worth more than the thing you are ganking.





Vastly more expensive than the battleships we used to use




More than countered by the HP buffs



Irrelevant, warp speed means nothing.

Yes, I think that while some things have made ganking more challenging, there have been other changes that have made it more accessible and the amount of work that has gone into building organised ganking and improving ganking strategy means that more people go out and gank these days. It's a cheap, requires nearly no skills and delivers near-instant gratification.

Probably because they were there early on to make a name for themselves. I've been about since 2005 so I've had a pretty good taste of the old days. Not quite M0o old, but old enough to see the majority of the changes you lot cry about.

That's a question that cannot be answered even by the people you are asking. They don't consciously realize that what they really want is the same experience across multiple games.

We've seen it in this thread when it comes to "industry standards", as well as how almost everyone arguing that EVE needs to radically change are people who have quit and come back, or scaled back on their eve accounts or talked about how some other game is more fun.

It all comes back to the fact that people don't really know what they want. They've proclaimed for years that EVE was on it's last leg, and CCP better wake up and change the game before it's too late. And off they went to Star Wars Galaxies, SWTOR, Black Prophecy, Star Trek Online, and not Elite and Star Citizen, and it will be the same with No Man's Sky if it sees the light of day.

But they will eventually end up right back here, because they think the want safety but those other games are too safe, they think they want dog fighting and more manual control but in reality to like being the captains of their own ships (and Commodores of their own multi-boxed Flotillas), they think they want an immersive experience but as they grow older they will learn they don't like that level of distraction any more.

And they think the want "more/better PVE" but will grow bored of even 'procedurally generated content because it will never be as dynaimc as human contact (this is why even though EVE has sleepers and drifters and incursion sanshas most people are still shooting at the stupid angel/guristas/blood raiders etc NPCs lol). They think they want to walk around and drink imaginary booze in an imaginary bar, but they do't because they don't play the games that already let you do that (like Star Trek Online).


etc etc. It's funny how people are still people even in a virtual world. What happens in this game is the same as I've seen it in real life, how people complain about the job we have and the boss we have and demand change. and then the old boss retires, a new boss comes in and does all the things the old boss didn't do, and the MAIN people who hate the new situation are...the people who complained loudest about the old boss.

If CCP changed this game to be what the radicals want it to be, not only would it not gain loads of new players, but those radicals would be the 1st to leave.