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Dev blog: Skill trading in New Eden

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Sissy Fuzz
Sissy Fuzz Communications
#481 - 2016-01-19 10:17:48 UTC
Next up will be pre-fitted ships for AUR to go with the Easy-Skill(TM) feature. Nifty little "starter packs" that you can buy since you haven't got a clue: Easy-Mine, Easy-Gank, Easy-Xplore, Easy-BlackOps, and so on... Be your own Carrier Pilot in no time with Easy-Fits(TM). EVE is going to be such a great game from now on.

CCP, you are going down and there is no way back. You are pissing your credibility away faster than losing subscribers.
Reiisha
#482 - 2016-01-19 10:20:46 UTC
Sissy Fuzz wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Now someone tell me with a straight face that EVE is doing well financially.

This is so desparate they must be in real trouble.




Bankrolling several new games which have yet to make any money (and closing one down already) purely from the income of one niche subscription MMO?

Nah, it should be allright :)

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#483 - 2016-01-19 10:26:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
When i first read this dev blog, i thought its Aprils fool's day ...

Quote:
We weren’t sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits [...]

wat
I remember that feedback was mostly negative.
Dosperado
Ethereal Morality
The Initiative.
#484 - 2016-01-19 10:29:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Dosperado
In the german subforum I made the suggestion to give players the ability to SHIFT their available skillpoints for a small fee with a cooldown of maybe one day or a few days.
So everyone could relocate their focal point(s) within a short amount of time and EVE by itself would get more dynamic.

Imho this is the best solution to give new players more possibilities and the veterans are not pissed off like I am right now.
And this would generate more income (for CCP) than overpriced useless "Transneural Skill Packets" which new(er) players couldn't afford anyway.

But as always CCP does not listen to their old veteran playerbase...if you really going patch this P2W **** in february say goodbye to your game and to your company!

EVE Veteran
Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#485 - 2016-01-19 10:54:49 UTC
Can't say this is something I want or think is a positive addition to the game. There are more important things out there that need to be addressed first to simply improve the enjoyment of the game.

Not sure what the goal for the player base is - they will be too expensive for most true noobies and is probably just going to get abused by richer older players. EvE is a harsh world and we like it that way but padding all the walls so we don't hurt ourselves when we run into them isn't going to improve the game.
witchking42
Doomheim
#486 - 2016-01-19 10:55:20 UTC
Would have prefered it that you had to allocate the skill points to the same major group they were extracted from. This would stop the vetrans offloading millions of SP in industry for a noob to use to skill up to a Titan in a few days.
Tristan Agion
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#487 - 2016-01-19 10:58:39 UTC
Excellent stuff!

I agree with a concern raised by many others:

There should be a way to remove "0 SP" skills.

I very much favour being able to extract a "0 SP" skill into the physical skill book: that's clean and simple, basically the original skill injection in reverse. In fact, this would provide good "lore" on how we get these wonderful skill books in the first place!

As for the skill injectors, requiring that they be bought with AUR could be a major "overhead" and might contribute to driving newbies (without deep real world pockets) out of the market.

I hence really hope for a low price for the skill injector, say 100 AUR.

1 AUR is 300k-ish ISK, so that would be about 30M-ish ISK. And it would be really nice if skill injectors became a rare drop / pay-out for something in the game.

Finally, I predict that PLEX prices will fall significantly with the introduction of this. There probably will be many people who want to buy SPs, but can neither afford it now nor are willing to grind for the ISK for a long time. The only way to get that ISK quick is to buy PLEX with real money and sell it for ISK. So probably more people will dump PLEX on the market, and that will drive PLEX prices down.

I don't see a reason why PLEX prices would go up because of this, but I would be sincerely interested in hearing the reasoning behind that expectation.
Rizz Razz
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#488 - 2016-01-19 11:02:27 UTC
Tristan Agion wrote:


I hence really hope for a low price for the skill injector, say 100 AUR.


500 AUR will be minimum i think ... and 3500 AUR wont be a surprise :)

But we will see ...
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#489 - 2016-01-19 11:03:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Btw, where is the CSM? Or did this, conveniently, happen between CSM?
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#490 - 2016-01-19 11:05:57 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Rather than delete the skills option how would the OCD folks feel about a button that say' Do not show skills at 0'?

Then your sheet would be nice and clean but nothing would be removed.

m


Doing anything to accommodate OCD actually makes it worse. The characters that remove skills should show the mental scars from doing so.
Dibz
Doomheim
#491 - 2016-01-19 11:14:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Dibz
Rizz Razz wrote:
Tristan Agion wrote:


I hence really hope for a low price for the skill injector, say 100 AUR.


500 AUR will be minimum i think ... and 3500 AUR wont be a surprise :)

But we will see ...


Anything over 500 AUR would be a total fail IMO.
Sissy Fuzz
Sissy Fuzz Communications
#492 - 2016-01-19 11:14:45 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
No actually it's more like regdate bragging, the idea that your character of *regdate* cannot be beaten by character of *lateregdate*

This.

This is exactly the mindset CCP is trying to cater to with Easy-Skills(TM). The eternally butthurt curling-generation who are nothing less than morally piqued by the fact that some people are better than them because they stayed put and made an effort to actually achieve something by themselves. Using the one thing in life that no shortcut, CC swipe, or quickfix will replace, their time.

Outside Goonswarm and Murica! there are billions of people who would never dream of bragging. That be of regdates or otherwise. I understand that this is beyond you, Alavaria Fera, I really do, but thought you should know anyway. I bet you felt really clever coining "regdate bragging" but it is a bit shallow, mkay?

CCP wants this segment, the shortcutters, to feel happy.
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
#493 - 2016-01-19 11:15:39 UTC
Tristan Agion wrote:
I don't see a reason why PLEX prices would go up because of this, but I would be sincerely interested in hearing the reasoning behind that expectation.


The skill injectors can be bought in the New Eden Store with Aurum. PLEX can be converted to Aurum. That's why.


To all of those, who rage about Eve becoming Pay2Win with this skill trading mechanic. Could you explain to me, why this method would be any more Pay2Win, than the current character bazaar already is?

Proposal: >>> New Inventory / Item Hangar <<<
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#494 - 2016-01-19 11:27:29 UTC
Damjan Fox wrote:
Tristan Agion wrote:
I don't see a reason why PLEX prices would go up because of this, but I would be sincerely interested in hearing the reasoning behind that expectation.


The skill injectors can be bought in the New Eden Store with Aurum. PLEX can be converted to Aurum. That's why.


To all of those, who rage about Eve becoming Pay2Win with this skill trading mechanic. Could you explain to me, why this method would be any more Pay2Win, than the current character bazaar already is?


How often does this need explaining and why does this need explaining in the first fcking place. How stupid are folks?

Characters bought in the bazaar come with a name, a history and choices in regards to skill training. You agree to buying that character then you agree to the whole package so changing ownership of that character does not change the basic "choices have consequences" core concept of EVE. The character remains as is.

The new system allows you to syphon SP from any character with any background and any training choices and then redistribute that as you please. None of the choices that character made is retained, it throws the basic concept of EVE overboard. So a) it's so close to P2W it's not even funny and b) it completely fucks with EVE's main concept.

And then a clown PVPer turned "balancing expert", turned clown dev allowed it to happen.
Aroye
Mechvale Planetside Productions
Fed Terrorists
#495 - 2016-01-19 11:27:48 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
So CCP has decided to go on ahead and kill Eve huh? Mark my words CCP, this game's REAL decline starts here!

I don't think it will make any difference in the long run because extractors will probably cost way to much to be worth it. Something like a PLEX for a 7-8 days worth of SP. 400K sp is almost nothing in EVE. Some newbies will fall for it and wast money before they realize that it doesn't help.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#496 - 2016-01-19 11:34:01 UTC
Aroye wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
So CCP has decided to go on ahead and kill Eve huh? Mark my words CCP, this game's REAL decline starts here!

I don't think it will make any difference in the long run because extractors will probably cost way to much to be worth it. Something like a PLEX for a 7-8 days worth of SP. 400K sp is almost nothing in EVE. Some newbies will fall for it and wast money before they realize that it doesn't help.


The point is that this is a first step to p2w, and if people agree to it (by just passively accepting it even though they're not happy about the whole thing) then the next step will be a little bit further. And then a little bit more, and more and more. So if one's not happy with this whole thing then by simply condoning it you perpetuate it.

Me personally I draw the line here, not being dramatic about it but at some point you have to simply accept that the product you've been using for years is turning into something you don't want, and you decide to move on. Atm I'm consolidating my assets and then I'll delete my chars. And no you can't have my stuff, it'll be given to other folks.
Tristan Agion
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#497 - 2016-01-19 11:43:02 UTC
Damjan Fox wrote:
The skill injectors can be bought in the New Eden Store with Aurum. PLEX can be converted to Aurum. That's why.

I see now, thanks!

I think my point about more people dumping PLEX on the market stands though, so it will be really interesting to see how this will balance out in the end.

I think the lower the AUR cost for the skill injector, the more likely that PLEX prices will net drop: This would lower PLEX to AUR conversion demand, because one would not need as much AUR. But the PLEX supply from people trying to get ISK for buying skill packets would stay unaffected.

Another good reason the for a low AUR price on the skill injector, CCPlease.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#498 - 2016-01-19 11:43:37 UTC
am in favour of this in one way but very annoyed by it. basically its taken me 10 years to get where i am now i can get a char pay for skills and have a 100mill sp char in one day if i so wish! not funny and basically ccp taking the ****

also youll have to be careful because the skill can cos considerably more than others. for example a capital skill could take the same time as a skill costing x10 less but its just converted into the same number of skillpoints. which i dont think is right

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#499 - 2016-01-19 11:44:39 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Atm I'm consolidating my assets and then I'll delete my chars. And no you can't have my stuff, it'll be given to other folks.

Can't say I've tended to agree with many of your opinions in F&I, but I will be sorry to see you go over this.

Much as I don't want it either and think CCP have it totally wrong when they are saying 'most of you saw the positives' and have fallen into the trap of listening to a few and believing it's the many..... I'm going to encourage you to stay anyway, because the biggest users/abusers of this will be the same people that grow alts 2 years before they actually need them anyway, so it won't have very much impact on the overall game.

Though I do also agree that this is a very very big step down a slippery slope, it's not the total doom of EVE, and if the cleats in the boot hold after this step, may not lead to it.
Aerious
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#500 - 2016-01-19 11:51:09 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Aroye wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
So CCP has decided to go on ahead and kill Eve huh? Mark my words CCP, this game's REAL decline starts here!

I don't think it will make any difference in the long run because extractors will probably cost way to much to be worth it. Something like a PLEX for a 7-8 days worth of SP. 400K sp is almost nothing in EVE. Some newbies will fall for it and wast money before they realize that it doesn't help.


The point is that this is a first step to p2w, and if people agree to it (by just passively accepting it even though they're not happy about the whole thing) then the next step will be a little bit further. And then a little bit more, and more and more. So if one's not happy with this whole thing then by simply condoning it you perpetuate it.

Me personally I draw the line here, not being dramatic about it but at some point you have to simply accept that the product you've been using for years is turning into something you don't want, and you decide to move on. Atm I'm consolidating my assets and then I'll delete my chars. And no you can't have my stuff, it'll be given to other folks.


There's no point threatning to leave, most of the people here raging and saying they will leave, will not, CCP know this after the monocle-crap a few years ago, hundreds threatend to leave, most are still here.

I as you am totally against this idea, but since there is a dev blog about it, i think it will be implemented, but im hoping CCP™ sees sense and cap it at a lower SP value so it's only of use by newer players and make it so there is a limit to the amount of SP that can be injected per year.

"They worried we would eventually offer not just vanity items, but ones that would give the Haves an unfair advantage over the Have-Nots."