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all of those pointless mining skill points put towards useful things, like engineering and gunnery....

I like it. Ive got skills I've wasted points in that I can give an alt or give to a friend and diminishing returns will mean there less SP in the eve-universe every-time its used. Choices are a good thing.

Its a shame this thread is a salt mine though. God forbid a new character have something easier than a bitter vet.

What, exactly, is the tipping point here regarding a goon RMT machine? Why would it be now, and not back when Technetium was hemorrhaging ISK in untold quantity?

If you had read it: isk isn't a limiting factor, SP is. Also Isk can be legitimately gotten via plex so there's a lot of competition in that. Alliances like yours have so much isk there's nothing for them to spend it on, it's wasted pretty much so this SP trading is one of the few good options to syphon some off that away. You simply need to create the demand and then supply them.

1 lure newbie into alliance
2 do the "well, if you could fly [insert ship/module] then you could join in these awesome fights"
3 sell SP
4 ....
5 profit

It seems you don't want to read, because it doesn't suit your agenda.

Lets say I have 2 trillion and (thus) I really don't give a fck about isk, but I do care about RL money. I'll buy SP from the market and give that to you, while you give me something irl. I STILL will have "too much" isk, now I also have RL cash.

It's more difficult to persuade people to use RMT when there's an official way (sell plex for isk outright) of doing it. Using SP trading adds some extra variables and steps that will make it easier for people to do/use RMT.

I like the whole "the way we are doing this means it's all still player driven" thing. It makes me feel a tiny bit better than if ccp just got rid of monthly subs and plex, and instead just sold sp packets and ships/mods directly for $$$.

Not really pathetic at all, though youre quite a ***** for saying it in the way you did.

The truth is, this is game breaking across the board. I dont pvp much, i dont care about grinding noobs to dust. In fact, Im a newbro trainer. It would make my job significantly easier if this was implemented. that does not make it a good idea. I say this in complete honesty, the most fun i EVER had in eve was as a noob in a noob corp doing noob things.

I still remember being a hero by bringing a caracal into that SoE noob arc with the cruiser at the end that shield tanked. Everyone was in frigs and they couldnt break his tank, we were all new, and there were like 4 of us. couldnt do it. Luckiiy my skill training had just finished for caldari cruisers, so i got my caracal and broke the bastards tank and we finally finished the arc.

I had lots of expiriences like this, learning this game and improving while you still see the universe with the new player beer goggles we all lose somewhere along the way. Taking this expirience away is a crime. Players can be competitive, players cn be able to fight back faster, but taking away the new player expirience is criminal.

And aside from that, im really more worried about the higher sp characters. they are the ones who will buy the most of these injectors, and they are the ones who will set the prices. They dont need the boost. I dont need the boost. A small step stool is acceptable, but an amount of sp only limited by the depths of your pockets, which for far too many players are way too deep, is a horrible idea. The strong will get stronger, and the only way for new players to catch up will be to pay for PLEX until they can cheat their way to incursions. Its not right.

Set a limit to the number of Injectors possible per character, dont make this mistake.

Id also be curious to know which forums CCP was reading that made them think this idea was widely accepted, as a vast majority of what I read was quite negative.

are we really going to use the "its for the new players angle"?


because if as a new player the only way to be on the same level as other new players is to shell out cash its ridiculous.


and don''t say "they can use isk" if its cheep enough that a new bro can make enough to get use out of them then they are just going to be bought as soon as they go on market by the people with isk.


the fact that they take a set time to produce means that even if the aurm price is low the isk price is going to be very high the only people able to afford these off the market are going to be bitter vets and people with the cash to sell plex

Yes I can understand to a certain extent where CCP is coming from with this, it will be awsome to get more players into the game, but don't you also think that there should be a cap so that older players don't feel like it's all been a waste for them, subscribing all this time getting all those skills up there?

Say something like 60-80 mill skillpoints you can make an awsome whatever pilot with that. (I think)
I don't care about the finance, I want CCP to earn money I have nothing against that, but let it still be
something special to have accumulated 100 of millions of skillpoints.
The old players have carried the game this far by keeping their subs active you know.
And the new brave eve pilots as well of course. (I am not referring to any entities ingame.)

But yes pay to win is always bad for any game.
Someone at CCP should just figure out how much skills it takes to get dreads or carriers skills to lvl 4
everything included reps cap transfer and siege/triage and cap it right there.Also do the same for the
industry aspect of the game try to find somewhere lvl 4 something something industry wise add it together
divide by two and theres your cap.

Well I know that there are many aspects of eve that I have not included it's an awsome game with lots of possibilities.
I read some of the forums and people who welcome this say that ah yes and still you can always go to the character bazaar and get a 200 + mill char instantly. I doubt it that someone who started playing eve yesterday has 150+ billion to buy these high skillpoints chars.

I welcome it with open arms if there would be implemented a cap for it.