EVE General Discussion

Ah look, these birds of a feather are flocking together. I still wish they'd all Flock Off to something they actually enjoy rather than advocating the destruction of a good thing, but you know , birds will be birds, crapping all over everything.

Y'all should form a 'change for the sake of change, oh and Elite is wonderful why I'm not not playing it more" club. I wouldn't join, but you''d get quite a few members I'd bet. You can have whatever opinion you like. Pointing out that the opinion is wrong (and even somewhat evil) is also allowed.

BTW It can't be "my way or the highway" if you don't own the highway, and we don't. CCP does.

I'll call out anyone I see giving unqualified and unsolicited psychological evaluations, because at the end of the day, it's little more than you 'questioning' the mentality of the poster. You're basically saying, "if you disagree with me there must be something psychologically wrong with you". It's disgusting, and it says more about you than the person you're addressing.

If you're talking about Jenn calling you out for self-entitlement, that doesn't qualify as a psychological assessment, but a demonstrable display of behaviour. If I see unjustifiable entitlement, ie thinking you deserve something special just for you that no one else gets under the same circumstances, then I'll call it out too.

I think he was pointing out the huge number of times Jenn has gone off about how mentally and psychologically challenged people are on the forums for having different opinions. Seriously, I'm pretty sure there's a fair few example in this very thread if you look on eve-search.

Who is making demands? I don't own the game, I can't demand anything.

I'm pointing out that you are free to do as you choose. What you choose is stupid, and I'm truly sorry if you find this expression of truth 'insulting', but it's nonetheless true. I don't care about your feelings, and despite what people like you believe, you have no right to not be offended.

Some people like to torture themselves I guess. I work with a few people like that ,who don't like the job, don't like the bosses, think 'things would be so much better if only they'd do {x} etc etc. But somehow they don't seem able to not take the money on payday, nor do they seem willing to go work for a better organization. If I hated something so much that I had to comment on how bad it is (and how something else is better) every single day, I wouldn't live my life in misery, I'd go get that other job and enjoy life.

To each his own I guess, but still some things are just achingly stupid.

This is well said. I disagree about it "not being good enough" for something. Many bad things have mass appeal (McDonalds for example) while many good things will never EVER make the kind of income McDonalds makes. Le Bernardin in New York (for example) will NEVER earn it's owners the same billions MCD corp has.

But otherwise your comment is great. What happens when CCP tries to get all "modern and relevant"? They end up making a game that still doesn't draw in new people while also ticking off it's loyal customers.



The "it's all relative" crowd does not understand this. In fact I think relativism is a way to avoid confronting the idea that they could be wrong (by denying right and wrong, good or bad exist in the 1st place lol).

You can't explain relativism to a person who is used to getting positive reinforcement that their ideas and opinions are always correct. Jenn thinks there is 0% chance that he may be wrong, and all differing opinions are met with complete dismissal.

Jenn, as a former law enforcement officer myself, to a current member of the LEO community, I implore you to change your viewpoint on life. After you leave your chosen profession you will be filled with regret on how you treated fellow human beings with the staunch black and white approach and ever closed-minded view that you display so regularly here.

TL:DR You can't make concrete minds think abstractly.

Except you're wrong, both in the representation of my posts and the way I feel about EVE. The thing is, you are trying to tell me how you think I feel about EVE. How do you still not able to understand that out of you and me I understand my own preferences better?

For starters, it's not, but even if it was, your opinions are also based on your own wants. Your problem is that you believe your opinion to be the correct one and feel that your own anecdotes are enough evidence of that and thus every opinion that differs is bad. I on the other hand believe that opinions are just that, opinions, and they differ. There's no such thing as a wrong opinion, simply opinions that each of us agree of disagree with and it's up to CCP to decide how they feel about them when making design decisions.

And many a company has died by refusing to adapt and being left behind by the market. The funny thing is that we know already that CCP aren't exactly keen on just staying on course, hence their recent branch out in VR.

Here's the "EVE Players are better than other gamers" bull that we're used to. It's simply not true. If anything many EVE players (like yourself) are weak as they can't even handle the proposal of change let alone actual change itself. Learn to be flexible, to adapt, and perhaps you can keep up with modern players. Let's face it, you like EVE as it is and want it to stay as it is because you know it, if makes you feel safe because you know more than all the newer guys. I'm much more for being kept on my toes and challenged continuously and helping new blood get up to the standard that they are competitive is a big part of that.

You mean crammed full of additional revenue streams to stay afloat? As a general rule, ignoring your competitors and the wants of people in and around your market segment is a bad idea. If they were smart they'd roll out microtransactions for something simple, like skins, they'd start up new projects to look for new, fresh markets and they'd gradually decrease focus on EVE-O. Oh wait...

This seems to be quite an assumption made on how someone replies on the internet, and tbh. getting personal like that over an internet discussion is exaggerated and seems out of line IMO.

Numbers dropping? old farts quitting? EvE declining? possibly, who knows?

Sadly for myself and after playing EvE for just a few years I now find it has become very childish and pandering to the new player.
I used to love exploration, the risk of tanking your ship to the extreme and not knowing just what might hit you, having the skills to hack cans and hopefully get a reward, finding rare rewards worth many millions that you'd sell to pay for plex all of this was one of a great many elements of a game I totally adored.

I liked it so much that after a year of play in 2004 I managed to get my entire family of 2 brothers and my father playing, each of us having at least three accounts and one having six (he did like to mine).

Now however EvE has become dare I say it stale, like luke warm two day old beer, it looks good and may be a suddenly great idea but one taste and you realise it's nowhere near as good as it was.

Call me a bitter old vet if you will, all I will say is that I'm now the last of my family playing and as of last week all of my accounts apart from this toon have now been unsubbed as we have all said the same and that is EvE is slowly becoming nothing more than a shade of it's past.

Gameplay is important as well as content and steadily the game has become simplified to a state of ruin, silly tic tac toe/ minesweeper games with every can having that rare item you once had to take hours to find and be skilled enough to get, titans for everyone swamping fields of battle, fozziesov (blergh), jump fatigue (really really annoying), skill resets and removals (some took months to learn), scambots not being silenced, scam contracts not being fixed etc etc

I could go on and will probably get flamed for all this yet I feel if something isn't done soon the game I love and adore will slowly lose the bright light it has and become nothing more than that old flashlight hidden under the sofa with the half charged batteries you use when you've lost something under the table.

Just my thoughts, burn away.................

I am a complete newb to EVE, sub'd a few weeks ago, and I just found this thread.

188 thread pages to discuss whether or not the game is dying, I don't know how to feel about that.