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Vote Xenuria: CSM 11 - Reform The CSM
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digi
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2015-12-27 08:58:24 UTC
Xrend wrote:

Honestly, If you want a slobbering idiot sitting on the CSM "representing" us.... Then a vote for Xenuria is the choice. I honestly can't wait for when Xenuria decides to make the rounds and does interviews. Pure gold.


Our slobbering idiot is more trustworthy than your slobbery idiot. Oh, where did your slobbering idiot go?

Oh that's right.

Spy.
Fatal pewpew
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2015-12-27 20:22:31 UTC
Think of the children, vote Xenuria.
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#43 - 2015-12-30 22:06:17 UTC
Xrend wrote:
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:

What are the current issues with wormholes?


Not the candidate, but as someone relatively knowledgeable wrt w-space, I'd say that w-space in general is actually in a pretty good spot, aside from a large Russian carebear coalition being in control of all of the best C6 space.

Most wormhole players, as far as I am aware, are content with the content available in w-space and would much rather CCP leave w-space well enough alone.

Also, in regards to the topic at hand, I support Xenuria's CSM campaign both for his desire to reform the CSM to be more effective a tool for CCP and players alike, as well as his desire for nicer shoes and some goddamn headgear in EVE.


Clearly you must have just resubbed to this game..... Russian Carebear Coalition??? Whatever. the only thing that even keeps Russians living in W-space is the TZ. No one likes shooting towers after DT.

The Only true statement you said in your post. "...Xenuria...[is an] effective tool...."

Honestly, If you want a slobbering idiot sitting on the CSM "representing" us.... Then a vote for Xenuria is the choice. I honestly can't wait for when Xenuria decides to make the rounds and does interviews. Pure gold.

Requoting so this gets in page 3, and I might get an answer from the candidate.

What are the current issues with wormhole space, Xenuria?
Xenuria
#44 - 2015-12-30 23:26:07 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
Xrend wrote:
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:

What are the current issues with wormholes?


Not the candidate, but as someone relatively knowledgeable wrt w-space, I'd say that w-space in general is actually in a pretty good spot, aside from a large Russian carebear coalition being in control of all of the best C6 space.

Most wormhole players, as far as I am aware, are content with the content available in w-space and would much rather CCP leave w-space well enough alone.

Also, in regards to the topic at hand, I support Xenuria's CSM campaign both for his desire to reform the CSM to be more effective a tool for CCP and players alike, as well as his desire for nicer shoes and some goddamn headgear in EVE.


Clearly you must have just resubbed to this game..... Russian Carebear Coalition??? Whatever. the only thing that even keeps Russians living in W-space is the TZ. No one likes shooting towers after DT.

The Only true statement you said in your post. "...Xenuria...[is an] effective tool...."

Honestly, If you want a slobbering idiot sitting on the CSM "representing" us.... Then a vote for Xenuria is the choice. I honestly can't wait for when Xenuria decides to make the rounds and does interviews. Pure gold.

Requoting so this gets in page 3, and I might get an answer from the candidate.

What are the current issues with wormhole space, Xenuria?


Please keep on topic. If you want to ask about wormholes than ask a candidate who is running on a wormhole platform.

CSM 12 Candidate
Capqu
Half Empty
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#45 - 2015-12-31 17:44:15 UTC
Capqu
Half Empty
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#46 - 2015-12-31 17:45:03 UTC
haha just kidding im not gonna vote but if i did it would be for u xenuria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Xenuria
#47 - 2015-12-31 21:38:35 UTC
Capqu wrote:
haha just kidding im not gonna vote but if i did it would be for u xenuria


While I appreciate the sentiment I ask that you have some faith in the process. If I can fix things than it's worth fighting for. It's worth the ~effort~.

CSM 12 Candidate
Tetsel
House Amamake
#48 - 2016-01-04 17:21:04 UTC
I could vote for you if I was sure your "CSM Reform" imply CSM failcascading that bring CCP to burn it to the ground.
Does it ?

Loyal servent to Mother Amamake. @EVE_Tetsel

Another Bittervet Please Ignore
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#49 - 2016-01-07 12:54:19 UTC
What happened to your last CSM11 thread?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5615024 for reference. You wanted to make vanity items bought for AUR/PLEX dependent on ingame standing for no obvious reason, and later rejected that you'd do that, yet reiterated that standings should play a role.
Before that (CSM10), your CSM candidacy was about 'CSM reform', but in part in the context of removing voting, yet not making the CSM appointed by CCP.
You think that voter harassment is a thing that can conceivably happen, and that buying accounts for vote padding happens (Specifically, that the large coalitions did so, and that was partly the reason why you don't get in).

Your reasons to run seems to be mostly about buzzwords, except now you that you have joined the people you hated back in the day, you might conceivably get in. I don't think voting a buzzword-troll (Or idiot, in case you're honest) on the CSM is the right way to go, but maybe the Goons finally got everything they needed from it, and are ready to close it down?
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#50 - 2016-01-07 17:29:10 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
I don't think voting a buzzword-troll (Or idiot, in case you're honest) on the CSM is the right way to go, but maybe the Goons finally got everything they needed from it, and are ready to close it down?



Typical goon strategy. Their war strategy has always been to never give good fights, instead preferring to only completely steam roll or use weaponzied boredom. In this case I think we are thinking the same thing, where goons wish every voice they cannot get completely lobbying for their empire to be as inarticulate and and ineffectual as possible, effectively giving more power to themselves for lack of an opposition, analogous to the weaponized boredom where they cannot win overwhelmingly.

The goon dream for this CSM is as many carrier politicians as can be ballot stuffed into power, and as many candidates that cannot operate effectively, giving them a total monopoly on player voice, despite the fact such people are not actually players like you and I; they are politicians, what business do they have voicing players like us?

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Estelie Heyan
Xri
#51 - 2016-01-07 20:05:39 UTC
I will vote xenuria
Xenuria
#52 - 2016-01-07 21:47:30 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
I don't think voting a buzzword-troll (Or idiot, in case you're honest) on the CSM is the right way to go, but maybe the Goons finally got everything they needed from it, and are ready to close it down?



Typical goon strategy. Their war strategy has always been to never give good fights, instead preferring to only completely steam roll or use weaponzied boredom. In this case I think we are thinking the same thing, where goons wish every voice they cannot get completely lobbying for their empire to be as inarticulate and and ineffectual as possible, effectively giving more power to themselves for lack of an opposition, analogous to the weaponized boredom where they cannot win overwhelmingly.

The goon dream for this CSM is as many carrier politicians as can be ballot stuffed into power, and as many candidates that cannot operate effectively, giving them a total monopoly on player voice, despite the fact such people are not actually players like you and I; they are politicians, what business do they have voicing players like us?


Forgive me but I really don't see how this conspiracy has any root in reality.
Goons and The Imperium seem more interested in EvE Online not dying from my perspective. There have been no closed doors to me since my entry into the hegemony. Nobody has denied me information or access of any kind and profound trust has been placed in me as a consultant and an adviser to a wide range of matters. If there was any grand conspiracy the chances are I would have stumbled across it by now.

That said, goons do have a spotty past when it comes to eve online but just the same could easily be said of their greatest enemies. Let us not forget Band of Brothers and the very corruption and scandal that necessitated the birth of the CSM.

Put down the torches and pitchforks, if there was something within goons remotely resembling the conspiratorial pipe dreams concocted by Gevlon and the likes of him; I would be the first person to stand on a box and holler about it.

CSM 12 Candidate
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#53 - 2016-01-07 22:37:15 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Forgive me but I really don't see how this conspiracy has any root in reality.
Goons and The Imperium seem more interested in EvE Online not dying from my perspective. There have been no closed doors to me since my entry into the hegemony. Nobody has denied me information or access of any kind and profound trust has been placed in me as a consultant and an adviser to a wide range of matters. If there was any grand conspiracy the chances are I would have stumbled across it by now.

That said, goons do have a spotty past when it comes to eve online but just the same could easily be said of their greatest enemies. Let us not forget Band of Brothers and the very corruption and scandal that necessitated the birth of the CSM.

Put down the torches and pitchforks, if there was something within goons remotely resembling the conspiratorial pipe dreams concocted by Gevlon and the likes of him; I would be the first person to stand on a box and holler about it.
a) it's not a conspiracy (Though you did a nice strawman of the argument); b) it's a hard sell to ask us to trust you and Goons, when you're a sellout, liar and buzzword politician; c) I don't think the argument against you is any Goon conspiracy, since there are plenty of reasons to discount you as a viable representative (Among others, you're either barking mad or intentionally acting like an obtuse and megalomaniacal joke candidate to troll).
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#54 - 2016-01-08 07:32:47 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Goons and The Imperium seem more interested in EvE Online not dying from my perspective.


Incorrect. It's painfully obvious that they gladly trade the health of the game overall for the health of their empire. They would much rather have control over people and ration out content than see their empire weakened.

They have become what they once rallied to stop.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Xenuria
#55 - 2016-01-08 18:43:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Goons and The Imperium seem more interested in EvE Online not dying from my perspective.


Incorrect. It's painfully obvious that they gladly trade the health of the game overall for the health of their empire. They would much rather have control over people and ration out content than see their empire weakened.

They have become what they once rallied to stop.


I think there is a crucial piece of logic missing from your Master Stroke~.

Without eve online, there is no space empire.


To the best of my knowledge there is no "Content Rationing" happening in The Imperium. I have never seen anybody stop somebody from participating in a fleet op by saying "Woah there buddy haven't you had a little too much content today? Sit this one out."

Alphea Abbra wrote:

a) it's not a conspiracy (Though you did a nice strawman of the argument); b) it's a hard sell to ask us to trust you and Goons, when you're a sellout, liar and buzzword politician; c) I don't think the argument against you is any Goon conspiracy, since there are plenty of reasons to discount you as a viable representative (Among others, you're either barking mad or intentionally acting like an obtuse and megalomaniacal joke candidate to troll).


Or maybe you simply don't understand me, this process or what is at stake.

CSM 12 Candidate
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#56 - 2016-01-08 19:03:32 UTC
Xenuria wrote:


I think there is a crucial piece of logic missing from your Master Stroke~.

Without eve online, there is no space empire.

To the best of my knowledge there is no "Content Rationing" happening in The Imperium. I have never seen anybody stop somebody from participating in a fleet op by saying "Woah there buddy haven't you had a little too much content today? Sit this one out."



They don't need EvE Online to persist once they have cashed in their shares of website ad revenue or kickstarters. You have a very naive understanding of high level Goonery.

Of course content is rationed, very carefully, very calculatingly. They keep perfect stasis on 2/3 of the map such that there cannot be a reasonable threat to their security. EvE is supposed to be about vibrant, Byzantine empires rising and falling on the fickle whims of very human gods; capsuleers. Any empire purely devoted to maintaining the past status quo in it's entirely is an empire in decline, yet they are happy to see such a gradual decline in the game and their empire so long as it feeds more than their in game wallets.

Give KarmaFleet some FCs, have them toss cheap, disposable fleets around with no consequence, and their fresh crop of newbies is placated and mollified. They are rationed out cheap, meaningless content - gone is the gravity of actual fights, over things that may have meaning. They fed a two-bit propaganda stream about 'Our People' and how joining the Imperium is 'Winning', when in all actuality, it is losing by essentially removing all of the chips from the table; what fun is gambling, risking, and playing, when all of these are removed and all conflict is sport with no gravitas?

This is the status quo they want to preserve, and content rationing is quite effective at it.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Xenuria
#57 - 2016-01-08 19:27:29 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Xenuria wrote:


I think there is a crucial piece of logic missing from your Master Stroke~.

Without eve online, there is no space empire.

To the best of my knowledge there is no "Content Rationing" happening in The Imperium. I have never seen anybody stop somebody from participating in a fleet op by saying "Woah there buddy haven't you had a little too much content today? Sit this one out."



They don't need EvE Online to persist once they have cashed in their shares of website ad revenue or kickstarters. You have a very naive understanding of high level Goonery.

Of course content is rationed, very carefully, very calculatingly. They keep perfect stasis on 2/3 of the map such that there cannot be a reasonable threat to their security. EvE is supposed to be about vibrant, Byzantine empires rising and falling on the fickle whims of very human gods; capsuleers. Any empire purely devoted to maintaining the past status quo in it's entirely is an empire in decline, yet they are happy to see such a gradual decline in the game and their empire so long as it feeds more than their in game wallets.

Give KarmaFleet some FCs, have them toss cheap, disposable fleets around with no consequence, and their fresh crop of newbies is placated and mollified. They are rationed out cheap, meaningless content - gone is the gravity of actual fights, over things that may have meaning. They fed a two-bit propaganda stream about 'Our People' and how joining the Imperium is 'Winning', when in all actuality, it is losing by essentially removing all of the chips from the table; what fun is gambling, risking, and playing, when all of these are removed and all conflict is sport with no gravitas?

This is the status quo they want to preserve, and content rationing is quite effective at it.


Perfect Stasis eh?
I think a little thing called dotlan would disagree with you.

But don't let me crush your grandiose conspiracy pipe dream. How about you run for CSM.

CSM 12 Candidate
Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#58 - 2016-01-08 19:31:30 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Xenuria wrote:


I think there is a crucial piece of logic missing from your Master Stroke~.

Without eve online, there is no space empire.

To the best of my knowledge there is no "Content Rationing" happening in The Imperium. I have never seen anybody stop somebody from participating in a fleet op by saying "Woah there buddy haven't you had a little too much content today? Sit this one out."



They don't need EvE Online to persist once they have cashed in their shares of website ad revenue or kickstarters. You have a very naive understanding of high level Goonery.

Of course content is rationed, very carefully, very calculatingly. They keep perfect stasis on 2/3 of the map such that there cannot be a reasonable threat to their security. EvE is supposed to be about vibrant, Byzantine empires rising and falling on the fickle whims of very human gods; capsuleers. Any empire purely devoted to maintaining the past status quo in it's entirely is an empire in decline, yet they are happy to see such a gradual decline in the game and their empire so long as it feeds more than their in game wallets.

Give KarmaFleet some FCs, have them toss cheap, disposable fleets around with no consequence, and their fresh crop of newbies is placated and mollified. They are rationed out cheap, meaningless content - gone is the gravity of actual fights, over things that may have meaning. They fed a two-bit propaganda stream about 'Our People' and how joining the Imperium is 'Winning', when in all actuality, it is losing by essentially removing all of the chips from the table; what fun is gambling, risking, and playing, when all of these are removed and all conflict is sport with no gravitas?

This is the status quo they want to preserve, and content rationing is quite effective at it.


This is some fantastic, nuclear-grade salt right here.

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave
Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#59 - 2016-01-08 19:35:13 UTC
Xrend wrote:

Clearly you must have just resubbed to this game..... Russian Carebear Coalition??? Whatever. the only thing that even keeps Russians living in W-space is the TZ. No one likes shooting towers after DT.


I've been subbed nonstop since 2011. Quazerknocks is a real thing - Lazerhawks, Hard Knocks, and the remnants of Quantum Explosion have banded together to push everyone else out of C6 Magnetar space and succeeded, then have proceeded to set up renters/alts in those systems to farm the sites.

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave
Ted McManfist
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2016-01-08 21:12:07 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:


They don't need EvE Online to persist once they have cashed in their shares of website ad revenue or kickstarters. You have a very naive understanding of high level Goonery.

Of course content is rationed, very carefully, very calculatingly. They keep perfect stasis on 2/3 of the map such that there cannot be a reasonable threat to their security. EvE is supposed to be about vibrant, Byzantine empires rising and falling on the fickle whims of very human gods; capsuleers. Any empire purely devoted to maintaining the past status quo in it's entirely is an empire in decline, yet they are happy to see such a gradual decline in the game and their empire so long as it feeds more than their in game wallets.

Give KarmaFleet some FCs, have them toss cheap, disposable fleets around with no consequence, and their fresh crop of newbies is placated and mollified. They are rationed out cheap, meaningless content - gone is the gravity of actual fights, over things that may have meaning. They fed a two-bit propaganda stream about 'Our People' and how joining the Imperium is 'Winning', when in all actuality, it is losing by essentially removing all of the chips from the table; what fun is gambling, risking, and playing, when all of these are removed and all conflict is sport with no gravitas?

This is the status quo they want to preserve, and content rationing is quite effective at it.


My content isn't rationed :colbert:

I know you think "you've seen both sides" but you are really talking out of your rear end on this subject. You are literally arguing with Xenuria and looking like the crazy one.

Xenuria for CSM!