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Vote Xenuria: CSM 11 - Reform The CSM

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Bernie Nator
POS Party
Ember Sands
#21 - 2015-12-22 23:04:22 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Lydia vanPersie wrote:
Xenuria wrote:


(snip)

On the subject of Grr goons it's disingenuous to lump me in with that /r/eve grr goons crowd or any grr goons crowd. My primary grievance with goons had nothing to do with anything in a spaceship game and everything to do with my home address and personal information being posted in a CSM thread by The Mittani.


Given that, how can you continue to play in an alliance that includes induviduals such as Digi? Or is doxxing only bad when it happens to you?


I do not see my presence in the alliance as an endorsement of what some members of the alliance say or do.
If and when somebody does something that I personally feel is inappropriate or messed up I let it be known. Do to how I am, I don't believe in showing favor to anybody because of rank, social status, influence etc. If a director in the imperium did something really messed up or creepy I would put them on blast.

I feel it's not only possible for people who don't agree on everything to work together, I believe it's essential to the survival of this game.


epicurus ataraxia wrote:


Ok, Lets try a little game of lets be serious.
The CSM has had an up and down year, some members have done an amazing job (you know who you are) and some less so (likewise) what reforms do you envisage that would encourage the best of us to apply and give their all, without suffering discouragement, whilst eliminating the wasters and attention seekers and those who just want to ruin the game for the rest of us?

Answers on a postcard to.... Well here would be a good start.

I think vigilance and oversight are the hallmarks of a good participation system. Obviously there are some aspects of how participation is measured that I am not privy to, that said I have some ideas.

When I work on anything as a behavioral consultant or even in security work, I always like to document the time I spend and what I spend it doing. Punch in - Punch out, is simply not sufficient for something like this so I would concoct a To-Doo system that allowed members of the CSM to claim or assign themselves to tasks they felt themselves best suited to.

Id Est: CCP has a bunch of gameplay changes/proposals that need to be looked over half are wormholes and the other half have to do with PVE in HS. Member A of the CSM can say "I got the wormhole stuff unless anybody else want's it or wishes to collaborate with me on it." Member E says "I am not that well versed in WH stuff but I know alot about how HS mission runners think, I'll take that part". With a system like this is becomes painfully obvious via data and trends who is just not doing anything.

Lauresh Thellere wrote:


Why do you feel the need to "bite" are you once again labeling me a troll simply because I don't swallow your entire campaign without questions and criticism?

Also assuming everyone will immediately know what you mean when you say things is poor form, sadly nobody has Mind Reading trained to V so we need to have things explained to us and reforming the CSM is something that can happen any number of ways so it's not at all assumed prior knowledge.

I'm looking for specific information on how you plan to overhaul the CSM based on your understanding of how the CSM works, you seem to be assuming that everyone can guess your plan and are instead relying on pretty vague statements. You said it's difficult for you to explain yet you're running your entire campaign on it, a CSM member needs to be articulate and specific and so far you've shown neither.


You seem like you want to ask a question. Unfortunately I am unable to find one other than why I should feel the need to respond to you. Honestly, based on your previous history of posting in my threads; I don't.

What are the current issues with wormholes?
Lauresh Thellere
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#22 - 2015-12-23 05:37:00 UTC
Xenuria wrote:

You seem like you want to ask a question. Unfortunately I am unable to find one other than why I should feel the need to respond to you. Honestly, based on your previous history of posting in my threads; I don't.


I find it disappointing and frankly a little sad that you refuse to have any real discussion on your campaign, I can only imagine how you'd be if you somehow got onto CSM.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#23 - 2015-12-23 17:09:29 UTC
Lauresh Thellere wrote:
Xenuria wrote:

You seem like you want to ask a question. Unfortunately I am unable to find one other than why I should feel the need to respond to you. Honestly, based on your previous history of posting in my threads; I don't.


I find it disappointing and frankly a little sad that you refuse to have any real discussion on your campaign, I can only imagine how you'd be if you somehow got onto CSM.

Several GSF guys ran on this platform got in back-to-back. They even went as far as telling people "You're below me, and I don't have your vote anyway so go away."
Tech3ZH
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
#24 - 2015-12-23 17:41:45 UTC
Huh. Xenuria joined Goons, after being all grr goons for so long. Interesting. So the Goons were right, you were one of the "they hate us 'cause they aint us" crowd.

Still gonna vote for you, though.




Lex Arson
Adversity.
Psychotic Tendencies.
#25 - 2015-12-23 19:19:58 UTC
you have my vote even if you cuck me in local sometimes

There's no use crying after every mistake, you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.

Eyrun Mangeiri
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2015-12-23 20:29:31 UTC
Tech3ZH wrote:
Huh. Xenuria joined Goons, after being all grr goons for so long. Interesting. So the Goons were right, you were one of the "they hate us 'cause they aint us" crowd.

Still gonna vote for you, though.






He not only joined us, we kinda like him.

I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.

Xenuria
#27 - 2015-12-23 20:58:29 UTC
Tech3ZH wrote:
Huh. Xenuria joined Goons, after being all grr goons for so long. Interesting. So the Goons were right, you were one of the "they hate us 'cause they aint us" crowd.

Still gonna vote for you, though.







If you spent any amount of time actually reading my issues with goons you will find "hate" is not part of them. I feel strongly that hate is counter-productive as emotions go. I often say "Do not hate. Hate is the weapon of the enemy."

As I said earlier in the thread I was never part of the grr goons crowd. I was, and continue to be an individual with legitimate personal stake in matters relating the the goons cultural identity in new eden.
This however is not a thread for discussion of social change born within a larger hegemony, this is a thread about my CSM campaign. Please make effort to stay on topic.
Tech3ZH
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
#28 - 2015-12-24 02:10:30 UTC
Xenuria wrote:

If you spent any amount of time actually reading my issues with goons...
... Please make effort to stay on topic.


THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER!?! Big smile

I consider myself properly chastised.

Still gonna vote for you.
Lauresh Thellere
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#29 - 2015-12-25 11:00:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Lauresh Thellere
Xenuria wrote:
Tech3ZH wrote:
Huh. Xenuria joined Goons, after being all grr goons for so long. Interesting. So the Goons were right, you were one of the "they hate us 'cause they aint us" crowd.

Still gonna vote for you, though.







If you spent any amount of time actually reading my issues with goons you will find "hate" is not part of them. I feel strongly that hate is counter-productive as emotions go. I often say "Do not hate. Hate is the weapon of the enemy."

As I said earlier in the thread I was never part of the grr goons crowd. I was, and continue to be an individual with legitimate personal stake in matters relating the the goons cultural identity in new eden.
This however is not a thread for discussion of social change born within a larger hegemony, this is a thread about my CSM campaign. Please make effort to stay on topic.


With respect, discussing the man campaigning is just as important and "on topic" as discussing the words he writes, you still don't seem to understand that your campaign is about you just as much as your platform.

Ultimately the words you write are worthless if we don't know enough about you as a person and as a candidate.
Xenuria
#30 - 2015-12-25 17:55:38 UTC
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
Tech3ZH wrote:
Huh. Xenuria joined Goons, after being all grr goons for so long. Interesting. So the Goons were right, you were one of the "they hate us 'cause they aint us" crowd.

Still gonna vote for you, though.






He not only joined us, we kinda like him.


The feeling is mutual.
Vic Jefferson
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
#31 - 2015-12-25 19:31:51 UTC
Some would contend that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the CSM process, but much like every other facet in the game, it has simply been over gamed by powers that be. What would you say to the idea that the CSM itself does not need reform, rather the spate of player dissatisfaction and seats basically being handed out to large alliances is entirely a player made issue? Be specific, you have been very hand wavy and incredibly vague in your posts so far; is it the election process, or is it the way the council works that is a problem?

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2015-12-25 21:35:41 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Be specific, you have been very hand wavy and incredibly vague in your posts so far


There's only one way a GSF member gets elected to CSM: By the grace of ballot positioning. He can afford to be hand wavy & vague because your vote doesn't matter.

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Xenuria
#33 - 2015-12-25 23:03:12 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Some would contend that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the CSM process, but much like every other facet in the game, it has simply been over gamed by powers that be. What would you say to the idea that the CSM itself does not need reform, rather the spate of player dissatisfaction and seats basically being handed out to large alliances is entirely a player made issue? Be specific, you have been very hand wavy and incredibly vague in your posts so far; is it the election process, or is it the way the council works that is a problem?



Do you have a specific question about my platform? I am not going to argue if the CSM needs reform. All systems capable of growth need reform over time.
Vic Jefferson
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
#34 - 2015-12-25 23:47:23 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Do you have a specific question about my platform? I am not going to argue if the CSM needs reform. All systems capable of growth need reform over time.


Yes. What is your platform? What specifically is wrong that needs reforming, and what do you propose to do about it given the limited role the CSM has?

Also, do you not find it ironic that a goon shill has basically highlighted one of the major issues with the CSM, yet you stand to benefit from it? Can anyone that goons vote for, or is in cahoots with goons, actually represent 'reform' in anyway? This is akin to drinking for sobriety.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2015-12-26 00:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Also, do you not find it ironic that a goon shill has basically highlighted one of the major issues with the CSM, yet you stand to benefit from it? Can anyone that goons vote for, or is in cahoots with goons, actually represent 'reform' in anyway? This is akin to drinking for sobriety.


So voting for the people that you want to see on the CSM is the major issue with the CSM? Down with Democracy! Also I seem to recall Sion representing reform quite well.

Edit: You really need to look up the definition of a shill.

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Xenuria
#36 - 2015-12-26 03:39:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Do you have a specific question about my platform? I am not going to argue if the CSM needs reform. All systems capable of growth need reform over time.


Yes. What is your platform? What specifically is wrong that needs reforming, and what do you propose to do about it given the limited role the CSM has?

Also, do you not find it ironic that a goon shill has basically highlighted one of the major issues with the CSM, yet you stand to benefit from it? Can anyone that goons vote for, or is in cahoots with goons, actually represent 'reform' in anyway? This is akin to drinking for sobriety.


I do not represent goons and the imperium is not a representation of me or my values.
I am an individual who has been trumpeting the cause for CSM Reform for at least 2 years.
The imperium is a hegemony, they have absolutely no say in what I do in eve or on the CSM.
The Imperium does however, have a vested interest in my success as a reform candidate; as does any eve player who want's eve to thrive.


You have to realize that some issues are more important than flags and social clans. I was a reform candidate long before I was invited to join the imperium. If you are somehow sour that a group you dislike in eve was forward thinking enough to put their ego aside for the greater good than I don't think I can help you.

If you are concerned that my membership in the imperium put's my objectivity at risk, don't be. Brutal, unshakable honesty and integrity is kind of my gimmick. This is a truth that you may not have come to realize yet but others have and that is why despite any differences they may have with me, they support me.
Vic Jefferson
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
#37 - 2015-12-26 05:41:24 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
I am an individual who has been trumpeting the cause for CSM Reform for at least 2 years.

You still haven't done more than drop a few buzzwords here. Reform, reform, reform...what exactly do you even mean by that? what are the specific problems you see, etc? I have been asking for a few posts now and you still haven't given me one example of an actual aspect you want to see changed, and why it needs to be addressed. You are literally trying to sell a product to people without telling them what it is. At this point I have literally put more about reforming the CSM into my thread and I'm not even running on that as a thing. Part of being a CSM is communication, both with Devs and with players; can you communicate what you mean by reform? I am curious to know.


Xenuira wrote:
The Imperium does however, have a vested interest in my success as a reform candidate; as does any eve player who want's eve to thrive.

The overwhelming majority of the time, the Imperium's interests are completely contrary to most EvE players, even the ones in the Imperium. Care to explain why you feel you can serve both these interests; those who want a fun game for all, and those who want complete control over both players and resources for their own nefarious purposes?

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?

digi
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2015-12-26 11:07:15 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:

The overwhelming majority of the time, the Imperium's interests are completely contrary to most EvE players, even the ones in the Imperium. Care to explain why you feel you can serve both these interests; those who want a fun game for all, and those who want complete control over both players and resources for their own nefarious purposes?


I disagree, sir. The Imperium's interests revolve around keeping Eve Online alive. Some of us have been playing since beta, we enjoy the game and we enjoy having a Goon home that is successful. Keeping Eve out of the crapper is exactly what we stand for and yes, we are a bit nationalistic about our organization.

We don't have to do anything on the CSM to win at this game. The sooner you get that, the sooner you understand us. We can work with any game mechanic. We've done so for years. Influencing that is not what the CSM is about. The CSM is about getting the real-use scenarios into CCP's hands and elaborately describing why the mechanic is bad for the player. Bad for the player, not one particular organization. You may remember that we successfully argued for the technetium nerf. We controlled all of the tech at that time through OTEC.

You need to remember why the CSM exists in the first place. It's to keep CCP informed and honest. The CSM was born through scandal, it was never about giving you the voice, but rather to give them a solution to a very angry playerbase. If you don't give them accurate information and analysis, they will have to play their own game and next thing you know, someone will be setting on some rare unobtainable materials...

Xenuria is perfect for the CSM and I support him 110%. He can order the chaos, he can keep people on track. And no one can truly answer the reform question yet. We, as players, know it's broken, but we don't know how many ways it's broken or what it truly takes to fix it. If anyone knew that, it would be fixed already. We need to send a mind that is suited to ordering chaos. This is why I think Xenuria can do the job and why he has my votes.

Where other Goons will tell you that your votes don't matter, I will tell you the opposite. We can only unite as PLAYERS to fix CCP and keep Eve alive. Your votes DO count and use them wisely.

Send Xenuria to Iceland if you want to keep playing this game.



Siobhan MacLeary
Hole Violence
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2015-12-26 19:36:36 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:

What are the current issues with wormholes?


Not the candidate, but as someone relatively knowledgeable wrt w-space, I'd say that w-space in general is actually in a pretty good spot, aside from a large Russian carebear coalition being in control of all of the best C6 space.

Most wormhole players, as far as I am aware, are content with the content available in w-space and would much rather CCP leave w-space well enough alone.

Also, in regards to the topic at hand, I support Xenuria's CSM campaign both for his desire to reform the CSM to be more effective a tool for CCP and players alike, as well as his desire for nicer shoes and some goddamn headgear in EVE.

Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave

Xrend
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2015-12-27 02:47:26 UTC
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:

What are the current issues with wormholes?


Not the candidate, but as someone relatively knowledgeable wrt w-space, I'd say that w-space in general is actually in a pretty good spot, aside from a large Russian carebear coalition being in control of all of the best C6 space.

Most wormhole players, as far as I am aware, are content with the content available in w-space and would much rather CCP leave w-space well enough alone.

Also, in regards to the topic at hand, I support Xenuria's CSM campaign both for his desire to reform the CSM to be more effective a tool for CCP and players alike, as well as his desire for nicer shoes and some goddamn headgear in EVE.


Clearly you must have just resubbed to this game..... Russian Carebear Coalition??? Whatever. the only thing that even keeps Russians living in W-space is the TZ. No one likes shooting towers after DT.

The Only true statement you said in your post. "...Xenuria...[is an] effective tool...."

Honestly, If you want a slobbering idiot sitting on the CSM "representing" us.... Then a vote for Xenuria is the choice. I honestly can't wait for when Xenuria decides to make the rounds and does interviews. Pure gold.