EVE General Discussion

Are reactive hardeners ever better than the alternatives yet? Ive been off and on the game many times since it released and since they came out, they have never proven valuable. Why havent they been balanced to be a good pvp option, or removed as clutter? Do they get used at all?

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Oops. Yes I meant reactive. Im asking about the ones that change based on incoming damage type. Adaptive invulns are a very poorly named module. They should be called verstile or omni or something. They dont adapt at all haha.

The Reactive armor hardener is pretty insane actually.

Pretty much this. I love how much of a lazy man module it is. One of these in a mission ship gives you great tank for little cap and very little fuss.

As above though. I wouldn't use it in pvp. It has a pretty major drawback. The module measures the type of damage incoming and how often; it does NOT measure the amount. So if someone drops EM drones on your face, your reactive will crank up the EM because you're getting hit by EM 5 times every 4 seconds. Leaving your explosive open for the 5k volley of explosive from the 1400s.

They're nice for some PvE fits. If you've got Guristas or Caldari rats throwing nothing but Scourge missiles at you, the RAH will be stronger than a tech 2 active hardener, but they do go through cap like crazy. If if rats like to throw even two types of damage at you, it's not nearly as strong.

Once you get armor compensation skills, RAH looks a lot less attractive. Tech 2 adaptive plating does nearly the same job for no cap when everything is getting shot at you.

In all of those fits you're more neut-resistant and have a comparable resist profile that stays solid and can't be manipulated by simply replacing it with an EANM II.

A second EANM will stack, the reactive hardener will not (except with DMC). So it's not a question of choice, but a combination to get max resists.

Assuming good skills, EANM II's are 24/25% omni. Even with stacking penalty they are still about 20% on the second one. Making them higher average resists than the RAH.
The RAH comes into it on the third resit module, and can replace the DCU since it has stacking penalties with DCU's interestingly enough.

Even 2 types of damage it's an un-stack-penalised 30% so pretty worth it imho.

A quick ammo swap if you're paying attention in the RAH ship can be mitigated by "turning it off and on again." The resist profile resets to 15% across all four if the module is deactivated, reducing the number of cycles to match the new incoming damage.

Is this true? I think I recall something like this being the issue ages ago. Why have they not fixed this? Clearly if you are going to have a module adapt to resist, it should adapt to resist the type doing the highest dps.

Thanks for all of the discussion. My conclusion is that they are still useless, unless you try desperately to build an entire fit around them on just the right ship for a very specific and uninteresting or even unnecessary purpose. This module should just be pruned out. I van see their difficulty with it. If they make it decent, it could violently disrupt the use of every other resist module, and I think that generally resist modules, as they are, are well balanced in terms of slot consumption and combat effect.