EVE General Discussion

Eve has a horrible interface and is terrible for the pilot's spacial awareness. The only way you're really going to know where you are in a large fleet battle is by zooming all the way out, and the most you can really do when zoomed out like that is align to a celestial and lock a target, both of which are done via the overview list. But in a real battle you probably won't see much of what is going on around you because you will have turned off your brackets to minimise lag.

If Eve gameplay were actually like the Dominion trailer then that'd be pretty sweet, but we have to be aware of certain realities in this game. Fleet battles are about clicking items on a list, simply because that's all you can physically do in a high-lag environment. so you can forget all these fancy ideas about being Starbuck with your Viper squadron in the middle of a huge battle being all fancy

But for the sake of argument let's say we did implement this. How long should it take a sub-cap fleet of 300 welpcanes to lock and engage a titan?

I would say that the sig radius vs scan res mechanics that already exist would provide the solution to that issue.

Thinking on my feet I would say that each lock on a target reduces is's sig radius a tiny amount so that 300 cains locking a Apoc for example would make it the size of a pod but 300 locks on a titan would make no difference really.

Like I say thinking on my feet so please lets not descend into "ah ha you missed this or that" you get the spirit of my point I am sure, the exact mechanics.... who knows.

-CJ

Being un-fleeted, they'd miss out on broadcasts, fleet boost bonuses, a neat overview, and other benefits.

Besides, if lock time were slowed depending on the number of ships locking onto a target, rather than currently locked, then targeting in advance will do nothing.

If, in the middle of a fight, the group of friendly ships (Not in fleet, for aforementioned reasons) constantly locks/unlocks its members, then their overviews will be a disaster, friendlies will be accidentally fired upon, enemies accidentally unlocked, and logistics will be both massively unorganised (No fleet!) and have trouble actually locking up ships which need repairing.

There's a way to plug all the potential exploits

i like the sound of this idea

And what if it's a blob and the FC yells 'Everyone! Target ARHA55-XXNRGAHZ!'?
What if some poor soul is bleeding into armour damage and needs reps? Will they yell into comms, spam into chat, die, or wish they were fleeted so they could broadcast for reps?
What if the overview is chock-full of ships and the FC calls a target, and you'd waste seconds searching for it. Much longer, amidst the busy locking/unlocking of your own fleet.

Besides, being unfleeted you'd miss out on fleet boost bonuses, which are nothing to be sneezed at.



Sorry, tabs won't help. Undock at Jita 4-4 and ctrl-click all the ships you can, while constantly flicking between tabs. Remember that each time a locked target icon appears, you must close it right away if it's a friendly ship. Also, your FC just said: '*static*Hanargh*static*blae piloting the Dra*static* primary *static* exotic dancers *static* ARMOUR HACS'. What do you do? Also, primarying and all-vs-one no longer works under the new mechanics, so you're going to have listen carefully as the FC yells out 10 different targets. Furthermore, he'll be yelling out which squad needs to attack which targets. Unfortunately, no one is fleeted, and so there are no squads. Also, you're in low armour so you need to yell your name and ship into comms and/or type it into chat several times, because other people will be doing it too.


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Apparently, this slight delay isn't stopping blobs and stupid 'All target one' tactics. I think what everyone is looking for is a large delay.

You think chess ISN"T about taking the king? Just because you might strategise and take out a queen and position yourself to control the board doesn't mean the point of the game isn't to take the king.

As for focus fire sucking, good luck changing that one. When you play battleship do you try and find all boats first BEFORE sinking any of them?

Lots of noise makes things harder to hear, and see if we're talking about electro-magnetic noise. So maybe, maybe not. We don't have to worry about that because we are talking game mechanics here, not actual science. As long as the fictional explanation is logically consistent within the game lore, who the **** cares?

i all ready covered this go re read the thread

After a little thought, it would probably be more effective to incrementally reduce a ship's effective sig based on the number of ships firing weapons at it such that after X number of attackers the aggregate dps is reduced to negate the rough dps of everything over X. This would mitigate the power of super blobs, but reward intelligent fleet composition, and still allow target painters to counteract the blob penalty to a degree.

So...penalize players to "encourage", (force), them to use more disciplined fleet tactics and operational methods and protocols that most players, despite hating on/crying about blob warfare, aren't already implementing themselves because they lack the patience and discipline to do so in the first place as they want OTHER people to do so instead.

Bad idea, imo.