Warfare & Tactics

Why are you always complaining about other people and their alts when you don't bother to PvP? You quit... get over it.

"So the opinions of people who used to play but left can not voice their opinions on why they are no longer interested?"
- Exposed yourself as angry, because it lacks sense.

" I imagine ccp would like to hear from everyone not just those who enjoy multiboxing alts to rabbit plex."
- Means you see yourself as important and that you have self esteem issues.


She struck a nerve.

I see my opinions as about as important as anyone else's. No more, no less.

I would rather everyone's opinions be judged on the reasoning and merit behind them, rather than who is posting them. But I realize on these forums that is unlikely. So yep, feel free to derail yet another eve-o thread by arguing that only certain players should be able to express their opinions, and speculating about self esteem, or emotional states of posters.

edit: I see your response below but I am not interested in continuing this line which is mostly bickering. If you want to talk about ideas concerning "Faction War and Citadels" I may respond. But beyond that I won't.

Edit #2: Same goes for you Crosi. I'm not interested in filling the thread up with responses to typical eve-o forum trolls that love to bicker.

Agree to disagree, given your unique ability to be wrong on almost everything regardless of how many 'facts' you cite.

+1 for turning FW iHubs into Citadels that can be bashed when the system becomes vulnerable.

I'm not sure about what bonuses exactly to apply, but a good general principle seems to be for the system bonuses to have synergies with new Citadel features. If you've put the effort into building a citadel, bonuses should encourage putting effort into keeping system upgrades active and vise versa.

Another idea would be instead of non FW carebears getting enhanced NPC stations in FW space, those carebears might get the same benefits from using FW player deployed Citadels. FW players then get to skim some income from activity taking place in their structures, providing an income stream at the Corp / Alliance level for FW entities that doesn't depend on LP or moon mining.

Since this has to do with faction war I will respond.

Faction war never died. And of course, I never said it died. (yet another fact Crosi gets wrong) The sov mechanic has, however, always been broken. That is why so many who are "active" in the faction war zones have extremely limited interest in fighting for sov. Many are not even members of fw.

Thats not to say no one cares about sov. There have always been a few who care about it. But by and large the sov mechanic is of interest to relatively few people other than using plexes to get fights (but then often not bothering to capture after the fight is over) and the rare big push for a system.

My opinion is that the sov war is stagnant. You obviously disagree Crosi. That's fine I will let people in fw and living in the faction war areas draw their own conclusions about how important fw sov is to their eve game.

I have argued that the best way to gain vp and thereby sov is to have multiple alts rabbit plexing. I backed that claim up with evidence in the form of data from ccp. You want to claim that gaining vp has nothing to do with the sov war and instead the sov war has to do with sitting in a boosted garmur ganking all the noobs who don't yet recognize you. Again we can just disagree and let people draw their own conclusions.

As for your claims of facts regarding faction war I will just leave this for readers to consider:

I think the addition of Citadels to the space is enough of a bonus to begin with. It's a completely new mechanic for the area and adding any bonuses on top of it to begin with will make them harder to take away or reduce in the future. Put them in as is and see how it goes. If you WANT to add some things that would help people, the ability to set repair fees, manage who docks, and reprocessing fees would be a great start to those living in FacWar.

A huge complaint is the lack of Alliance/Corporation income in the area due to the nature of LP and the inability to tax it. Letting a corporation or alliance charge a small fee for some basic services could work.

The ability to control/receive the market sales tax could be useful too. If I invest the ~7bil or so to drop a large and want it to become a trade hub, I could run lower taxes. Not only does this help lowsec, but it even promotes the idea that pirates or militias are running the area. I understand taxes/fees in Empire controlled stations, but player structures to be controlled/go back to the players.

Ability to possibly use Citadels as an LP cash in point for the owners associated Militia (Fed Navy, State Pro, etc). However, no agents.