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I wouldn't claim ccp is being indecisive. They made a thread and then walked away.

Gregor Parud. Ron Swanson of EvE.

A little peak what is comming would be great, maybe after x-mas. So thread will hit 600 pages till new year eve.

Imagine, "SP injection fatigue" or "get podded too soon after injeccting SP and you lose some of it" etc etc

I definitely like encouraging people (especially newbies) to just stay docked.

Wow, the game is now even older.

Yea, pretty much this. Regadless of what side of the fence each of us stands at.

6000+ replies in this thread (which has been looped for quite a while) warrants some reply I'd hope. Whether honest or not.

So rather than putting time and effort into improving the character bazaar, you just casually use the bazaar as a thinly veiled excuse to announce; that your contempt of your loyal customers has no bounds. Good job CCP.

Despite a complete absence of evidence, I'm still convinced this system is part of a broader plan to allow quick training of new drones for carrier fighter wings prior the launch and integration of Valkyrie in to EVE

Sorry for late reply, I was on holidays and forgot this thread for a while.

a) I agree that average char could afford 2 of them. Pity that average char has above 50mil sp and will probably choose not to do it due to diminishing returns and bad ROI.

If we are talking about the list adding one important part that you missed (intentionally or not does not matter) is quite on subject. Let me remind you of the both original posts we did: You - a) TSP will aid in speeding training for those that desire it; me: a) Incorrect, TSP will aid in speed training those who desire and can afford it. So I have fixed that statement with pointing out on the cost

Forgetting something so influential is either intentional misguidance of readers or lack of adequate knowledge. In both cases, it is wrong.

b) Using TSP for progress is not a long term solution. And eve is all about long term. So if someone is not satisfied with regular sp/hour rate he will sooner or later go and purchase the char and your whole point is void.

Using couple of TSP to stay identified with your main char is lol point as no one will go and purchase char with 1-2mil sp more.

And again, char with higher sp does not have to be main char. People identify to the chars they want, if they want. TSP will not affect their personal play style and affinities in any way.

e) Diminishing returns start after ~2 months of play, who said they need to be maxed out? Never mind, I will skip the non important part and focus on your answer: "Simple, it's another benefit player orgs can offer to distinguish themselves and compete for members or attract the unrecruited, possibly placing more players in those orgs vs solo or or in weak orgs which data suggests is better for retention."

How can they distinguish with something which is available for the everyone on the market? Corps can distinguish just by the amount of "recruitment bonus" they give out, all ingame items are available for everyone so they can give it or recruits can choose them. Value they get remains the same, ie they would get the same value regardless if TSP were there or not (400mil isk in cash, or ships and equip or minerals or TSP, what is the difference?)

g) It is not a stalemate as we definitely know that TSP price is related to plex price no matter that we cannot know the exact price currently. As long as it is directly related to plex it is going to keep increasing as plex prices are going to increase.

h) It does not matter what corp offers as long as it is market item and of course people want free stuff all the time.But if they want shineys they will sell tsp and buy what they want. Regardless of that, you have to look at ROI. Time and money. Players need ~1 week of training to get amount of sp in TSP. How much time they need to earn isk for ships and equipment? Depending on activity I agree, but majority would surely need more time to earn isk equivalent. Therefore I am quite sure they would go for easier way, sp is going to come anyway, without any effort and they get free isk instead of spending hours to make it.

You cannot justify it by your own choice. I was already a billionaire when I bought my first battleship. Because I wanted to have good sp background for good efficiency, before getting in so expensive ship. Do you know how funny it was for my corp mates, the richest guy they know is flying in blackbird all the time? Yet, I do not know anyone else who did it that way, everyone rushed for bigger stuff...

m) You have the basics of economy wrong. Plex suply is going down and prices are going up already. With even more demand prices will increase even more. Desire for isk will be fulfilled with the same amount of cash spent as you will get more isk for each plex. And plexes going up is something you can 100% sure of.

n) I am not broadening. I have learned that I have to talk with you in very clear way or you will digress it. To be honest I am not quite sure what is unclear here. Young chars can have bad reputation very rarely, ie if someone is crazy enough to trust them and then they play it. And that probably will not be something what will make a lot of sound as the scammed person would be too shy to admit his stupidity. So new players who want to buy a bit advanced chars cannot really finish purchasing them as there was no real public for the issue which "harmed the reputation". And even if it was such a case (that young char has bad rep), they can easily prevent that by simple googling or using search forums option.

In purchases of higher sp chars they can prevent it in the same way. Just simple searching. They do not need TSP for that. Nor for advancing to that sp level. Especially since TSP is not effective to getting there due to cost and diminishing returns.

And as someone mentioned, TSP is actually nice way to reprocess bad reputation chars :)

I am not broadening. If you had read my original posts you would see them stated hundreds of pages ago. If you cannot provide any counter argument for them its fine, I am sure you would if you had any. But calling them deflection is lame after asking for them multiple times :)

To sum it up. Your list, even though mostly wrong in sense of benefits for bigger chunk of the player base, does have a couple of points which do benefit minor part of player base, so "big" that it could be called statistical error I`d have to say. On the other side beside already mentioned side effects on customer - service provide relation which you cannot counter (nor anyone else since those are business axioms based on decades of research and practice) we can for sure expect plex prices going up. To what extent? We cannot know now but it will surely affect a lot of players who choose this way for funding their accounts. How many will be forced to quit? We will see...