My EVE

The "buy 20 rifters" advice is designed specifically to get you over this.

I've spoken to several martial artists that admit to being rather bored in tournaments because they've already mentally fought most of their opponents in their heads. Not each individual person, mind you. They just have so much knowledge of the various fighting styles and how to respond to different strategies that winning and losing are almost an afterthought.

At this point most of them start doing goofy things in their spare time just to stay interested. One friend invented different "kung-fu" styles based on animals that he thought moved in interesting ways (e.g. Spider Monkies, Orangutans, etc.). It wasn't to be more effective. It was because he was bored to tears, but was still very skilled. Others started their own schools.

The EVE equivalent being "Fly Goofy Fits for LOLs" and "Teach Newbs to PVP."

I'm still in the "What button do I press now?" phase. It's possible I'll never progress beyond it, but it's fun seeing the explosions.

Creating a site that tests peoples' aptitudes so that we can filter out the pilots before wasting time and ISK on them.

A very nice thing to add in there would be a continuously updated list of corporations/alliances that are willing to train and teach new pilots how to PvP successfully. As it is now, with solo PvP being all but a completely futile pursuit, learning how to PvP in a fleet is absolutely essential, and possible solo PvP coming later.

That's how I think of it any how. You can make a guide on how to PvP but nothing beats plain old experience and someone helping you to get it, and a fleet to go out with you to do it while you learn the ropes.

How to:
Get past a gate that's camped to hell and back, without losing your ship, getting into repair bills, or being podded.
Defend a PoS or ihub against 200 supercaps that just jumped in.
Do anything at all in lowsec without having to be in the same corp as the local pirates.

Sorry OP, looking at the few replies I saw, unless you can unlearn what people found out about Null and low sec your effort is with not.

EVE is circumstantial evidence and unless you are O.J. it means someone else got away with it.

You fit the norm. Most people don't enjoy blowing other peoples stuff up any more than they enjoy watching thier own get popped. For most people, it's just not all it's cracked up to be.

"We don't belong in EVE".

Where things come apart is, if everyone who "didn't belong in EVE" just left, the game would close down. For the true PvP rush crew and I don't judge them but they have a weakness. The temptation is just too great to prey on easy targets.

No, Pinaculus, getting killed is not generally the point. Getting into Zero is easy, surviving in Zero is the trick. All I said was that jumping blindly into Zero without having a lot of blues on the Zero side will get you killed (unless you are SP rich enough to fly Tengus) even a well skilled blockade runner can get nailed by fast ships and points.

Now as for the rewards, there are few even if you are a member of the dog pack for RMT farm because the gravy of the farm doesn't run down as far as the rank and file. (And don't say "free ships", because that amounts to peanuts tossed to the monkeys.)

You're very much whining tbh. Also, what's wrong with having a bunch of friends fly cheapo T1 cruisers and just see how far you can get. Who CARES if you lose an insured T1 cruiser and get podded without implants. What other ppl are trying to convey is the "stop being scared of dying and suddenly the game becomes more fun", that doesn't translate to "dying is good" but more a "if you stop flying expensive **** and aim to have fun you'll.... have fun".

Confirming that Tengus are completely invulnerable in nullsec.

The best chance to make it back to the gate or to escape is to do the following.

First of all it's important to understand the session change mechanic and your invulnerability timer. When you jump into a new system, your ship will start a 30 second session change timer during this time, you cannot change systems, therefore its pointless to try and go back to the gate at this time, many people don't understand this mechanic, and it's not like the game has a manual or even itself mentions this at any point, so it's one of those things you either learn from someone else or you die a lot PvPing like me to find out. You can enable the session change timer on the general settings section of the game menu. It will be a spinning icon that appears in the top left corner, when you mouse over it'll tell you how many seconds left before it disappears. It's very easy when you're inexperienced to panic when you see a big gate camp and burn to the gate only to find out you still have your session change timer, bounce of the gate and die horribly. Relax, take your time, you have 60 seconds (30 seconds after the session change timer) where you will be in an invulnerable cloaked state and can plan out and assess what is the best course of action. The only time I recommend leaving before the session change timer is up is if you know there are more guys landing soon on the gate which will make burning off the gate impossible.

So, you have 60 seconds to plan before you must take an action. This is my thought process when I jump into a gate-camp.
- Can I just warp? If I'm in an interceptor or a small frigate, and they don't have a bubble/hic, sometimes I can just warp out. look at the enemy ships, do they have any sensor boosters or remote sensor boosting effects? do they have fast tackle like an interceptor?
- Can I just burn away? If my ship is faster than the enemy ships camping, then chances are, I can just burn out of the bubble/hic range, and their point ranges, and just warp out. This is obviously not an option if you see 3 arty canes with sensor boosters, but if you jump into something like onyx/3x drake/malediction/hurricane then it would be fairly easy to get out by mwding away, if your ship is fast enough.
You should think about 3 things really.
- Can I outrun the enemy ships, or, can I outrun their point range before their long range tackle would be able to get on to me, would I be able to drag the long range tackle out of the DPS/Influence spheres of the other ships so I can kill the long range tackle, or force it off me and escape?
- What is the range of the enemies tackle. Take special note of Lachesis/Huginn/Curse (And arazu/rapier). As these will make long range escapes much more difficult.
- Can I survive long enough to escape. Again, if they have arty canes (or any other high damage but low tracking weapon), burning away could be a very bad mistake if you can't outrun their tackle before escaping their damage spheres.
- Another thing to watch out for is the Skirmish Gang Links, they'll increase the tackle range of all ships as well as their speed and agility. Look out for Claymore/Loki's on grid with a sensor booster like effect. You can also try the directional scanner if it's close by. If they catch you on a burn out and you suspect links, it's a good idea to make a note of the pilots involved for the future.

If the above options are not available, then going back to the gate is your best option. Remember to wait out the session change before going back. I would recommend putting the gate you're on, onto your selected items window, and then approach, overload your mwd, and spam the jump button. (its much better than trying to right click the gate which takes much longer and is more clunky)

If enemy ships follow you onto the other side, or there are already hostile ships the other-side, repeat this. Often the ships on the other side will be thinner than the ones on this side. You might even be able to get a kill on this side while the bulk of hostile ships are still agressed on the other-side. You can also wait out your cloak and see where the other ship decloaks. On some bigger stargates the enemy ship(s) can spawn outside of scram/point range of you, and you may be able to just warp.

Unfortunately, there is no full-proof method of running a camp. Some camps (particulary remote sensorboosted camps with 90% webs and high damage weapons) are impossible to escape from. Fortunately they are quite rare or are often very niche and will run from just about anything that isn't a solo player since they will die against most small gangs, even with less ships than them. This is the best tactics you can use to ensure you have the best possible chance of running a camp.

Also, review what you're flying/pvping in.
A drake is going to die jumping into a decent gatecamp, but solo interceptors have a very low chance of death. Your choice of ship makes a big impact on what is a certain death camp or just a small repair bill.
MWD is obviously one of the best tools to help you getting back to that gate or getting out.
Cloaking Devices can help you pull of the cloak+mwd trick to escape completely if there is no bubble. They can also help you get closer to the gate intially, MWD+cloak approaching the gate can easily get you 4-5km closer to the gate before the enemy is able to decloak you with their fast tacklers, even longer if they aren't paying attention or don't have any fast ships.
Obviously any thing that makes your ship more agile/faster is going to help you make it back to the gate in more circumstances, or warp before being targeted.