EVE General Discussion

Out of curiosity, how would mercenaries kill a trader? There's literally nothing you can do to someone that doesn't undock and has half a clue how the market works.

The problems that prevent many players - especially new ones - from enjoying the game have everything to do with you and your coalition. No matter what the mechanics and balance is, any entity that actively enforces stagnation for ulterior and/or out of game motives is not only part of the problem, but perhaps the majority of the problem.

Mmmh yeah, and poster's making suggestions that are not profitable instead of developing time management systems to avoid to waste other's time.
That could also be a Market PvP although it also goes out of EVE.

If the guys mining 20x more ice than you, refine it and set prices at your regional hub... causing you to pay more for items you failed to harvest, they caused you to become "less wealthy."

In the immediate scenario, there is a competition over limited resources (industry pvp) (which presumably you lost) but the game does not end there. The consequences of one act has a ripple effect that goes on and on in a sandbox. What did you do next? etc.

So, I'd call it player vs player competition.

Ah, but I can decide to not buy or sell and retain wealth. I can always make my own if I wanted to.

Most players do not decide to have their ships explode.

Not so long ago, Cloud Ring was a lush jungle of small gang PVP, teeming with all assortment of gangs both brawly and kitey. Proud, small newbie alliances rose up, attracting content from all over. Peoples from all over New Eden had a place to go, to remember the good times when pew was more important than standings. Veterans logged in. Newbies Logged in. Everyone was happy in a healthy pvp landscape a microcosm of how AegisSov should work, feeding and supporting fledgling alliances.

They had they had come again, bringing ruin, turning fun into sov and enemies into blues. With their tractors and bulldozers, all following the shriek of their accursed leader to tear down anything and everything. Other newbies weren't allowed to have fun or space, newbies were supposed to join Karmafleet and defend the sov indexes of Holy Deklein. They are not allowed to make news that isn't sanctioned by fearless leader.

Doesn't anyone see how, and further more the why, the CFC could not tolerate Cloud Ring? It was EvE at its best, sov how it was supposed to be. And they can't have that in their precious little narrative.

I don't think Lucas necessarily called you specifically an idiot. I think it was just the expression of a principle and I agree.

Everyone here pretty much understands that the specific mechanics (how you achieve something) can be classified as pvp or PvE.

Why you do something might have a strategic purpose aimed at another player or another group of players.

So in a higher context anything can be pvp, but the specific mechanics of missioning or mining remain PvE.

Actually, it's the other way round. Dumb people don't know that they're dumb, that's part of what makes them dumb, and they never doubt themselves. Intelligent people always doubt themselves and are very self aware.

I don't know the guy but he doesn't strike me as being dumb, at all.

Compare each month of this year vs each month of last year... when you run some maths you can see we are down 30% year over year.

Last year was a very low year as well compared to the previous.

Again, at some point a rapid decline looks slower but the percentage lost stays the same. Right now we should have been increasing from the summer/fall lows, but we didn't. Which means this is our new baseline for next summer drops.

But don't worry. Eve will stay alive until CCP makes enough money on Valkyrie to not need it any longer. One of their golden gooses will produce a golden egg one of these tries, and then we are done for.

You are kinda mixing stuff here. First off, a drop in PCU does not equal players lost, second I basically just mentioned that for the last month there are not netto drop in PCUs. That was all.

If you want to go into interpretation it means the netto percentage lost for the last month only was 0. So you are wrong about " but the percentage lost stays the same", when looking only at this month.

Tbh. I don't care about what it was a year ago. It is not relevant for my standalone statement observing the trend the last half year.

You mention it because you want to turn into another discussion about something else, namely that EVE is dying due to lack of PvE. Even if EVE does close, people will not be able to conclude why. Some will think it was bad PvE and some will think it due to that the harsh environtment of EVE was watered out. And they will discuss forever on other forums. No one will be able to prove it.

Btw. I read the insufficient data at hand differently than you, so we will not agree. And it will just be opinion against opinion. Having no value. Basically this whole thread has no value, which is why I think it should be locked now.



If we play, that we have a serious discussion, what would a statement like this bring to the table? It is just bitter bile, based on nothing. I keep being dissapointed of the discussion levels on the internet. When you are classical trained, you expect people to adhere to certain rules when discussing. Tbh. the internet is just about screaming loudest, without listening. It is indeed sad.