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Thats how your unconscious mind begging for help through advices to others.
FYI Anxiety disorders are a category of mental disorders characterized by feelings of anxiety and fear, where anxiety is a worry about future events and fear is a reaction to current events.

At this point it's obvious that you're being trolled now.

a) Cool beans bro, pity I never said it presents median earnings. But continue to put words in my mouth please, show everyone your truly face :D

Now slowly read what i wrote: Graph gives us overview on how much isk average player has. Got it? Where are mentioned earnings there?

Speaking of digression we came to that after your original statement: TSP will aid in speeding training for those that desire it. And then, after my objection that they need to be able to afford it as well since it will be expensive you went in your digressions and your clueless stories persuading that it will not be expensive which lead to this :) Do not blame me for the things you do please, would be much easier if you admit you are wrong :)

Let me try again, answer my question please: Will TSP be expensive for average player? Since what you did is "hidden" confession it will, I would prefer if we have clear answer for the public :)

b) Still wrong, the original question for the list is to express how it will be better. And then you have your point which does not stand on a single solid fact as the aspect of it remains individual. It is individual choice now, it will remain individual choice in future. There is not a single correlation which can work in the favor of your speculations. If we go by simple behaviorism, people who used such "speed up" will be prone to want it again. Since we have diminishing returns which turns speed ups inefficient over time, there are higher chances that when they cannot keep speeding up as used they will turn to character bazaar to purchase more advanced chars for way less investment then getting there with TSP.

And even then, regardless if they do or do not purchase chars, it does not have to affect their identification with their main. It is not written or stated anywhere that the char with the most sp is your main, nor the char you are active mostly. Your main char is the chair you choose to be. Again, individual choice.

e) Because due to diminishing returns it become inefficient? Because skilled players can earn for it if they want? Because if the corp wants to help player it is easier to provide him with ship and equipment worth that much which will help him to earn it on his own if he wants? If we go to the original question (how it will be better) what is the difference for non new players? They get 300mil value item, isk on hands, ships or equipment, what is the difference? Then answer how is it actually better and why?

Nice try putting digression on me, you have digressed everything you could multiple time, now we did full circle going back to original questions and you blame me for digressing after proving you wrong even on your digressions.

g) Regardless of level of relation of extractor cost and plex (cash) it has a direct relation, therefore will be affected by plex price. There is no need even to take SP into that equation so please stop digressing again.

Therefore your statement "No, the production cost is not in direct relation to PLEX, isk or cash." is completely wrong. Speaking of which, we can conclude that due to plex prices going up tsp will not be plentiful as it will be too expensive.

h) It is wrong because as those characters grow and become "financially independent" they will have diminishing return kicking in. And considering prices, I am quite sure new players will rather decide to buy some shiny ships and equipment they lack than invest in something they will get in ~1 week of training. Regarding veterans help, let me quote what you just said on it:

"there isn't much you'd give to a new player of that value that they'd have the knowledge and ability to put to use, so obviously you won't see it handed out as is often.". Please make up your mind, can we expect this trend to happen or not?

m) Challenging market data, nice! Even though the supply is steadily dropping and the prices are going up, you still claim supply will increase and prices will decrease. Quite interesting observation.

Supply is dropping (currently lowers in last 5 years) and prices are increasing with current demand. There will be additional demand for sure. You can only imagine the supply will grow to the point of dropping plex prices. (for speculations you actually need some market knowledge and reasons which could lead to that speculation) Prices are going up even higher, end of story. Simple as that. That is the basic law of market and you can keep denying it as much as you want, it will remain axiom you cannot change.

What side effect will happen with plex prices sky rocketing, I`ll leave you to conclude yourself (though I am sure you will say none :D).

n) Side effects are side effects no matter in which "segment" they are. They all hit the game and company behind it. Like it or not. The game was built for niche market since start and it dominated it for years. When greed pushed them out of that niche and they started changing the game in that direction, game started suffering. This is one more step in that direction. I already wrote a lot about this in my WOT`s, so I will not go into details.

If the niche was not harmed, we would not have people complaining here, quitting or planning to quit their subscriptions over this change etc. While you find it harmless, it obviously is not the case for everyone. If CCP gurus were not wrong, the game would be flourishing and they would not need so risky moves/changes. If CCP needed money, explain it to community and ask for feedback how to solve it. Maybe it would be less painful and risky to increase subscriptions or make some other micro transactions or whatever. Do not just come with some sh*ty change and then even ignore your customers feedback.

We have been digressed here by you, new post for n) due to character limit :)

First part - was said in the wrong manner I agree. It was supposed to send the message that I will not quit combined with my opinion that you are trolling or posting with your hidden agenda, ie that no matter how much you do it I will continue to prove your points wrong. It was supposed to sound funny, though I was tired, forgot smiley, did not even read it after posting and I agree it sounded wrong. For the record, I do not want you to kill your self under any circumstances regardless are they related to the game or not :)


Second part - I really do think that if you are doing these replies with all seriousness, not being able to accept you are wrong even when confronted with official data, researches, market laws then you have issues. And my friendly advice was to consult someone to solve them. Regarding admitting agenda, I missread Alavaria`s post and thought that you slipped and finally admitted it.

Anyway, I apologize for the first part. Reply whatever you want but please in some "closing" manner so I do not have to reply to it, so we can keep focus on the list. I do not have anything to prove except obvious wrongs in your list as I have entered the discussion with you, both with opposing points therefore one of us has to be wrong and I am willing to participate in it until all is cleared out.

Your SP goal perhaps. May slow down your isk grinding goal (because everyone wants a certain amount of isk lying about to sleep in)

Actually the recommendation we blobbers get is to train alts rather than stack tons of sp on one character. This does mean that packets will be useful on, again, low sp characters.

Nice.

1. The point isn't use, it's the desire to continue progression. Currently the only way to gain SP is to be subbed and keep training. Some feel compelled to sub even though they may be taking time away from the game for that reason, increasing revenue from a model where people purely pay to play.

This divorces that for some, but keeps the mechanic of all SP coming from sub time, even if someone else. Thus all the non-TSP'ers keep going as they have, many of the TSP'ers also do so for the gains of passive training, and TSP suppliers increase sub or training cert expense to supply the tradable SP.

It's the best solution because everyone is still coming to you for that full sub price for the SP.

2. But it will very much be about what you can scrap together for it because paying 1.2B for a PLEX is worse than 300mill for TSP. So we're raising the entry point and using another item of limited, real money supply with a high value as our delimiter.

This fails to create a change from that AND turns this into a pure PLEX demand increase.

Admittedly the whole CC thing was too strong a statement, but it was intended to mark the difference between an in game driven system and a real currency driven system.

3. It's not that I like the idea of an alliance controlled item, it's that your idea makes alliances turning PLEX into one of those items, moreso than it already may be, an attractive proposition. Given the potential harms of controlled TSP or controlled PLEX and the potential economic effects, I'd much rather have the former.

And yes, I'm extremely careful with replies to the point that I can foresee what the counters will be as a point of thoroughness, but more than that out of concern that, as certain other posters are prone, intentional misinterpretation or insertion of their own bias. Obviously I can't counter it all, or maybe any of it, but I do so simply to try to be as clear, straightforward and well understood as possible on top of actually tracing things out to their conclusion.

I thought it is quite obvious I am talking about characters, since TSP are made for them, in my finishing line it clearly says character, no need to play around it. Yet I will edit my post so it is clearly understandable and then you can reply with some proper reply (er can you?)

No, the claim was that the new player didn't have a built reputation therefore it wasn't a concern, not that the cost wouldn't be impacted by the reputation. And in the case of a new player I believe it reasonable to conclude the investigation into the background of the character may not be as thorough, leaving the more enticing price a greater factor at current.

Since TSP first provides a likely much lower price point of entry into gaining SP it disincentivizes the Bazaar as a whole, meaning the whole issue of character research and it's effect on price vs a good one moot since the demand is moved elsewhere.

And further 100mill is a bad point to argue on since most character traded are under 50m SP per CCP.

A complete asshate 50 mill SP toon will still yield better profits methinks....