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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6121 - 2015-12-08 21:54:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Don ZOLA wrote:
Again, I urge you to focus on the list only. You are already wasting enough of both yours and mine time. While I will never quit until you prove your points in the list or admit being wrong I would still like to save some time. This post is unrelated to the list and each other impressions mean nothing to it or to the topic. Have a nice day!
Getting this out of the way first: Again, if you want a particular thread of conversation to stop just stop responding. If you present something I'm responding to it according to my desire to do so, and won't be told by you that I can't or shouldn't. I'll make that determination.

Don ZOLA wrote:
I totally agree, you have constantly provided empty phrases and digressions. That is the reason why I started simple questions which you can answer with yes or no. Still you avoid that as well :/
And we're back to the same. You say this post wastes words for us both but you have no issue with retracing this circle. Further you still are doing the same BS with your arguments themselves. That's something I'll let the other post point out in detail.

Don ZOLA wrote:
If you actually compare it to the original one, you will see that my questions are still on track, while your answers are going off. Happens due to your avoiding of questions and digressions. Blame yourself :)

...

Challenged to provide counter arguments and repeatedly fails to do it or avoids or digresses. Quite defeated, but do not worry I am not finished with you yet. That is why the questions are getting simplified, I am limiting your escape space :)

Stop spreading lies, I never said it is static, i even stated it is not static, Official statistic I used gives us a much wider picture so we do not need your (wrong) speculations. Your lack of knowledge does not mean you are not wrong. How can you put something "highly speculative" in a benefit list when you even do not have a knowledge of the market? That`s rude :)

Only one deflecting here is you, in order to stop it please start answering my questions.

This list is not even worth a lol. Let`s stick to the original one, I like where it is going :)

Again, I'll stick to what I chose to stick to, you can come along or not.

And no, you're anything but on track. You tried to use a measure that doesn't even represent earnings potential to say that that potential is being realized. You're still doing it. And yes, you are claiming it static and that people are continually realizing that static peak number. Those are all predicated by any argument that says current wallet numbers prove people can't afford TSP.

Besides that you haven't actually done anything to prove the influx of PLEX from people wanting TSP through that won't notably increase supply. So you're speculations, in consideration to the poor economic links you've presented on other points are supposed to sway me? That's Stupid :)

And no, pointing out the flaws in your reasoning isn't deflecting, but I can see why you want to stick to that argument. Makes a nice deflection on your part alongside your new "admit you're wrong" cry of desperation.

Quote:
I did present them. They are in this thread, publicly available. You chosen to avoid them back when I posted them (you were active on the topic back then) and you avoid to read them now. So feel free to stop with the BS.

Though I am grateful for that, it would be even bigger waste of my time to explain them to you, as you do not seek to understand, you seek just to push your "points" and derail side effects to some of your deflection points. We have enough witnesses for that over these 300 pages :)

But for your convenience I even made one silly sample of side effects kick in. Not the same as my original ones, but I figured out that you really have no idea about market, consumers behaviorism, customer - service provider relations etc, so needed to just give you slight overview. Ie a chance to let you honorably admit defeat due to lack of such perspective and knowledge. Which I, having this experience with you, frankly do not expect. Even if you were the only person against billions you would not admit it. While I value persistence in general, your persistence is vain and pointless.

1) Who cares, as long as you play it dumb, avoid answering questions, go into digressions etc I am certain my opinion is correct
2) Again, focusing on non important things and semantics, we have 300 pages of the topic, majority of posters quite unhappy with the change (see unhappy customers in my previous posts), sending quite clear message to CCP. And while "I am not doing them justice or nothing at all", thankfully I have you as a "proers" white knight in shining armor whose points I am is decimating due to his lack of knowledge and his "high speculations".
3. You have added everything you had, every single line you could use to make that list look worthy. Unfortunately for you, I am here to show you how wrong you are :)
If you think then important present them if not don't, but don't cry because someone won't do your legwork for you or fall for the idea that your arguments were so very sound then but for some reason are unable to be reconstructed.

And for all your talk of what you think I'd get or not get, that's just posturing from the convenient position of not trying. And probably a strategic decision to deflect from the weakness of those arguments being exposed.

And then were' right back to: Hey look, some dude holds himself to a totally different standard because he thinks what he says is gold and is basically telling everyone else they shouldn't talk unless it's top agree with him. Still, he has the gall to say everyone else is out for an agenda.

"Everyone who disagrees with me should stop posting or ADMIT THEIR WRONG! no matter how weak or contrived my points are :)" is basically all I'm getting from you right now.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6122 - 2015-12-08 22:11:57 UTC
Berrice Silf wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:

Like i said initially though, however illogical it may seem it becomes a reality with a TSP. The investment of money in EVE will give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. Blink
And as I stated before that, It's a non issue since it's not really a competition. It a list of "people who got here first".

Ask all those on the lists if they find it a non issue, its becoming quite obvious however improbable that something that can happen with the launch of the TSP you still will not acknowledge it . If your divergent with the truth on such a simple question then where does that leave you with the walls of text going back and forth with Don.
What haven't I acknowledged? You only brought one scenario, that someone could buy their way into the top SP ranking, which I've addressed directly. But if you really want to open that door:

- It's unlikely to be feasible
- From a gameplay standpoint it's a non-factor even if feasible
- It interferes with a contest that doesn't exist because there is no way to compete for it
- The meaning of having further control over progress for the entire playerbase far outstrips the few dozen who pride themselves on a static quality that can never be denied then
- And really, they can still have that if CCP makes it clear who TSP users are for that purpose

And that's all things I've already presented on the ONE thing you've brought to me.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6123 - 2015-12-08 22:28:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Berrice Silf wrote:
Player controlled TSP

AttentionThe price 300m to upwards of 500m per packet . ( FREE if your goons according to Alavaria Fera ) Or possibly sub 300mill since over PLEX value it becomes cheaper to produce TSP on your own
AttentionRansom . Not even sure what this means, please elaborate
AttentionNot new guy friendly . Far more new guy friendly than training as is or the Bazaar
AttentionReskill mechanic sub 50m. Intended mechanic
AttentionRMT . - No strong argument was presented for this being a strong RMT driver. It's a possibility, but that's a consideration best left to those policing RMT. They have far better knowledge of how enticing it is and their ability to mitigate it.
Attentionplex fluctuation. Inevitable result of PLEX existance, and a non-concern since a single PLEX price point isn't anyone's goal
AttentionSP farm's. It first needs to be proven that SP differences caused by this mechanic are actually problematice before it can be stated that any use cases are an issue. Basically if having more SP than another player isn't an issue, neither is farming that SP.
AttentionCharacter history irrelevant. No, character history relevance is unchanged save you won't be able to guess total SP on birthdate.
AttentionExtractor - Nexx store item. This sound like irrational NEX hatred
AttentionInstant perfect alt's. Same as a few above, Unless it can be argued that SP differences are problematic while excluding differences based on time this is a non issue. Especially after the broadcasting ban. Please note CCP has not taken any stance against simple unassisted multiboxing with trained alts.

CCP sell direct to Pilot - Non trade-able item

AttentionIts just a micro transaction - available to anyone who wants to flex there wallet. Basically the same thing but without a) logistical limits on the extent of SP gained over time, b) creating a strong marketplace interaction and all that entails.
Some thoughts on this.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#6124 - 2015-12-08 22:35:22 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Don ZOLA wrote:
Again, I urge you to focus on the list only. You are already wasting enough of both yours and mine time. While I will never quit until you prove your points in the list or admit being wrong I would still like to save some time. This post is unrelated to the list and each other impressions mean nothing to it or to the topic. Have a nice day!
Getting this out of the way first: Again, if you want a particular thread of conversation to stop just stop responding. If you present something I'm responding to it according to my desire to do so, and won't be told by you that I can't or shouldn't. I'll make that determination.

I'm pretty sure this is a futile attempt to have the "last word" in a 300-long and going thread, in the hope that being the last post will somehow sway CCP because they will just look at the last page and then make a decision based on that?

Or you know, just having to be the last one standing on an internet forum.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6125 - 2015-12-08 22:36:33 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Don ZOLA wrote:
Again, I urge you to focus on the list only. You are already wasting enough of both yours and mine time. While I will never quit until you prove your points in the list or admit being wrong I would still like to save some time. This post is unrelated to the list and each other impressions mean nothing to it or to the topic. Have a nice day!
Getting this out of the way first: Again, if you want a particular thread of conversation to stop just stop responding. If you present something I'm responding to it according to my desire to do so, and won't be told by you that I can't or shouldn't. I'll make that determination.

I'm pretty sure this is a futile attempt to have the "last word" in a 300-long and going thread, in the hope that being the last post will somehow sway CCP because they will just look at the last page and then make a decision based on that?

Or you know, just having to be the last one standing on an internet forum.

When your last, best plea is just telling people to shut up...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#6126 - 2015-12-08 22:38:37 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:
Player controlled TSP

AttentionThe price 300m to upwards of 500m per packet . ( FREE if your goons according to Alavaria Fera ) Or possibly sub 300mill since over PLEX value it becomes cheaper to produce TSP on your own
Some thoughts on this.

I will point out, that you might as well say ships are FREE if I'm giving them to newbies. Which they are to the newbie but I also gave up a ship for them. Same if I give them a TSP or just isk or an implant.

Also, if you're in the minerals are cheaper/free if you mine them yourself group...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#6127 - 2015-12-08 22:39:33 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Don ZOLA wrote:
Again, I urge you to focus on the list only. You are already wasting enough of both yours and mine time. While I will never quit until you prove your points in the list or admit being wrong I would still like to save some time. This post is unrelated to the list and each other impressions mean nothing to it or to the topic. Have a nice day!
Getting this out of the way first: Again, if you want a particular thread of conversation to stop just stop responding. If you present something I'm responding to it according to my desire to do so, and won't be told by you that I can't or shouldn't. I'll make that determination.

I'm pretty sure this is a futile attempt to have the "last word" in a 300-long and going thread, in the hope that being the last post will somehow sway CCP because they will just look at the last page and then make a decision based on that?

Or you know, just having to be the last one standing on an internet forum.

When your last, best plea is just telling people to shut up...

No, you see the way it works is:

After everyone has left, they then post a victory speech post announcing their correctness. This won't happen if you keep posting.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Hamish McRothimay
Norse Complex Inc
#6128 - 2015-12-08 22:43:20 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:

Like i said initially though, however illogical it may seem it becomes a reality with a TSP. The investment of money in EVE will give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. Blink
And as I stated before that, It's a non issue since it's not really a competition. It a list of "people who got here first".

Ask all those on the lists if they find it a non issue, its becoming quite obvious however improbable that something that can happen with the launch of the TSP you still will not acknowledge it . If your divergent with the truth on such a simple question then where does that leave you with the walls of text going back and forth with Don.
What haven't I acknowledged? You only brought one scenario, that someone could buy their way into the top SP ranking, which I've addressed directly. But if you really want to open that door:

- It's unlikely to be feasible
- From a gameplay standpoint it's a non-factor even if feasible
- It interferes with a contest that doesn't exist because there is no way to compete for it
- The meaning of having further control over progress for the entire playerbase far outstrips the few dozen who pride themselves on a static quality that can never be denied then
- And really, they can still have that if CCP makes it clear who TSP users are for that purpose

And that's all things I've already presented on the ONE thing you've brought to me.

You answered the point used to illustrate not the principal.
same thing is a newbie joins a newbie corp, make friends with other newbies, has fun flying t1 frigate roams. following week friends in t2 frigates with t2 mods newbie say how you do that they say we pay for SP newbie gets disillusioned cause cant afford them following week friends in t2 cruisers newbie in t1 frigate gets dishearted leaves
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6129 - 2015-12-08 22:45:01 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:
Player controlled TSP

AttentionThe price 300m to upwards of 500m per packet . ( FREE if your goons according to Alavaria Fera ) Or possibly sub 300mill since over PLEX value it becomes cheaper to produce TSP on your own
Some thoughts on this.

I will point out, that you might as well say ships are FREE if I'm giving them to newbies. Which they are to the newbie but I also gave up a ship for them. Same if I give them a TSP or just isk or an implant.

Also, if you're in the minerals are cheaper/free if you mine them yourself group...
More along the lines of "I could pay x for 4 TSP, or less than x for a dual training cert and 4 extractors." It's like trying to decide between refining or selling raw ore. Depending on variables there is a right answer as far as profitability.

That evaluation still holds even if you're gathering to later give away.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6130 - 2015-12-08 22:48:14 UTC
Hamish McRothimay wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:

Like i said initially though, however illogical it may seem it becomes a reality with a TSP. The investment of money in EVE will give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. Blink
And as I stated before that, It's a non issue since it's not really a competition. It a list of "people who got here first".

Ask all those on the lists if they find it a non issue, its becoming quite obvious however improbable that something that can happen with the launch of the TSP you still will not acknowledge it . If your divergent with the truth on such a simple question then where does that leave you with the walls of text going back and forth with Don.
What haven't I acknowledged? You only brought one scenario, that someone could buy their way into the top SP ranking, which I've addressed directly. But if you really want to open that door:

- It's unlikely to be feasible
- From a gameplay standpoint it's a non-factor even if feasible
- It interferes with a contest that doesn't exist because there is no way to compete for it
- The meaning of having further control over progress for the entire playerbase far outstrips the few dozen who pride themselves on a static quality that can never be denied then
- And really, they can still have that if CCP makes it clear who TSP users are for that purpose

And that's all things I've already presented on the ONE thing you've brought to me.

You answered the point used to illustrate not the principal.
same thing is a newbie joins a newbie corp, make friends with other newbies, has fun flying t1 frigate roams. following week friends in t2 frigates with t2 mods newbie say how you do that they say we pay for SP newbie gets disillusioned cause cant afford them following week friends in t2 cruisers newbie in t1 frigate gets dishearted leaves

The principle was answer, unless you're unreasonably narrowing it to: Maintain this mechanic as it currently stands alongside TSP. The scenario you draw doesn't actually parallel that though and again goes back to this question, if his friends are doing things to progress while he is not why are they expected to be held at his pace? Further, what reason does he need to keep that pace anyways?
Berrice Silf
Academy of the Imperial Guards
#6131 - 2015-12-08 23:07:29 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:

Like i said initially though, however illogical it may seem it becomes a reality with a TSP. The investment of money in EVE will give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. Blink
And as I stated before that, It's a non issue since it's not really a competition. It a list of "people who got here first".

Ask all those on the lists if they find it a non issue, its becoming quite obvious however improbable that something that can happen with the launch of the TSP you still will not acknowledge it . If your divergent with the truth on such a simple question then where does that leave you with the walls of text going back and forth with Don.
What haven't I acknowledged? You only brought one scenario, that someone could buy their way into the top SP ranking, which I've addressed directly. But if you really want to open that door:

- It's unlikely to be feasible
- From a gameplay standpoint it's a non-factor even if feasible
- It interferes with a contest that doesn't exist because there is no way to compete for it
- The meaning of having further control over progress for the entire playerbase far outstrips the few dozen who pride themselves on a static quality that can never be denied then
- And really, they can still have that if CCP makes it clear who TSP users are for that purpose

And that's all things I've already presented on the ONE thing you've brought to me.

At present they are the untouchables - fact
no mechanic in game allows them to be caught - fact
contests and progression of anyone other than those in that list is the only part im interested in - fact

However illogical and improbable with the introduction of the TSP its becomes reality.

The plex, apart from when CCP stepped in once to bring the price down slightly it has never happened again.
Were going to have people still wanting there plex'd accounts
were going to have people exchanging plex for aurum 10 fold for extractors + skins still
were going to have people buying plex for isk to buy TSP

What is going to happen to the plex cost, what happens to the TSP / plex cost - It always increases but never drops more than 100/150m from its typical peak rate.

Who will this impact on the most / who will benefit most / what will happen if plex accounts drop off / plex inflation drives market prices in some way.

All hail the plex
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#6132 - 2015-12-08 23:19:44 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:
Player controlled TSP

AttentionThe price 300m to upwards of 500m per packet . ( FREE if your goons according to Alavaria Fera ) Or possibly sub 300mill since over PLEX value it becomes cheaper to produce TSP on your own
Some thoughts on this.

I will point out, that you might as well say ships are FREE if I'm giving them to newbies. Which they are to the newbie but I also gave up a ship for them. Same if I give them a TSP or just isk or an implant.

Also, if you're in the minerals are cheaper/free if you mine them yourself group...
More along the lines of "I could pay x for 4 TSP, or less than x for a dual training cert and 4 extractors." It's like trying to decide between refining or selling raw ore. Depending on variables there is a right answer as far as profitability.

That evaluation still holds even if you're gathering to later give away.

Fair enough then. It's also worth pointing out that one's value for "unneeded/wasted" skills is also very low as well, it makes sense to buy and empty extractor and burn those skills.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6133 - 2015-12-08 23:20:03 UTC
Berrice Silf wrote:

At present they are the untouchables - fact
no mechanic in game allows them to be caught - fact
contests and progression of anyone other than those in that list is the only part im interested in - fact
Ok, but no ones been saying otherwise.

Berrice Silf wrote:
However illogical and improbable with the introduction of the TSP its becomes reality.

The plex, apart from when CCP stepped in once to bring the price down slightly it has never happened again.
Were going to have people still wanting there plex'd accounts
were going to have people exchanging plex for aurum 10 fold for extractors + skins still
were going to have people buying plex for isk to buy TSP

What is going to happen to the plex cost, what happens to the TSP / plex cost - It always increases but never drops more than 100/150m from its typical peak rate.

Who will this impact on the most / who will benefit most / what will happen if plex accounts drop off / plex inflation drives market prices in some way.
The bold one is the one that works to decrease price for PLEX. That's important here because most other expansions of PLEX capabilities never created any impetus for people to buy more PLEX from CCP only to sell in game. Rather they encourages more removal or even prevented introduction of those PLEX to the market. Regarding increasing uses and the effects that entails, so long as we're still getting new skins and other functions this change specifically can't be presented as a logical breaking point or particular determent of PLEX functions. If you want to argue against them all sure, but that's largely another conversation.

Berrice Silf wrote:
All hail the plex
If this is an issue for you you've been in the wrong game for a while.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#6134 - 2015-12-08 23:24:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Hamish McRothimay wrote:

You answered the point used to illustrate not the principal.
same thing is a newbie joins a newbie corp, make friends with other newbies, has fun flying t1 frigate roams. following week friends in t2 frigates with t2 mods newbie say how you do that they say we pay for SP newbie gets disillusioned cause cant afford them following week friends in t2 cruisers newbie in t1 frigate gets dishearted leaves

The principle was answer, unless you're unreasonably narrowing it to: Maintain this mechanic as it currently stands alongside TSP. The scenario you draw doesn't actually parallel that though and again goes back to this question, if his friends are doing things to progress while he is not why are they expected to be held at his pace? Further, what reason does he need to keep that pace anyways?

A number of corps which do retain newbies tend to have older people who essentially transfer a relatively large (relative to the newbie) amount of assets to the newbie.

Your magical idea of a newbie corp that's all newbies who all join and progress at the same time.... well you're probably a fan of the freighter convoy idea too.


Now that I think about it, our newbies "progress" pretty dam fast relative to newbies in highsec in NPC corps huh. Well it's a good thing we retain them more often as well.... for us.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Berrice Silf
Academy of the Imperial Guards
#6135 - 2015-12-08 23:30:03 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:

At present they are the untouchables - fact
no mechanic in game allows them to be caught - fact
contests and progression of anyone other than those in that list is the only part im interested in - fact
Ok, but no ones been saying otherwise.

Berrice Silf wrote:
However illogical and improbable with the introduction of the TSP its becomes reality.

The plex, apart from when CCP stepped in once to bring the price down slightly it has never happened again.
Were going to have people still wanting there plex'd accounts
were going to have people exchanging plex for aurum 10 fold for extractors + skins still
were going to have people buying plex for isk to buy TSP

What is going to happen to the plex cost, what happens to the TSP / plex cost - It always increases but never drops more than 100/150m from its typical peak rate.

Who will this impact on the most / who will benefit most / what will happen if plex accounts drop off / plex inflation drives market prices in some way.
The bold one is the one that works to decrease price for PLEX. That's important here because most other expansions of PLEX capabilities never created any impetus for people to buy more PLEX from CCP only to sell in game. Rather they encourages more removal or even prevented introduction of those PLEX to the market. Regarding increasing uses and the effects that entails, so long as we're still getting new skins and other functions this change specifically can't be presented as a logical breaking point or particular determent of PLEX functions. If you want to argue against them all sure, but that's largely another conversation.

Berrice Silf wrote:
All hail the plex
If this is an issue for you you've been in the wrong game for a while.

Nothing at all will impact on me personally, ive stated before im totally liquid and can make use of it, Morally to change the goal posts at this point in a game i find reprehensible. You have people on the pro tsp side fighting the good fight convinced it's the way forward not realizing how it could change the financial landscape.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#6136 - 2015-12-08 23:57:31 UTC
At this point the field has 100s of copies of goalposts, all painted a different color.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6137 - 2015-12-09 00:11:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Berrice Silf wrote:
Nothing at all will impact on me personally, ive stated before im totally liquid and can make use of it, Morally to change the goal posts at this point in a game i find reprehensible. You have people on the pro tsp side fighting the good fight convinced it's the way forward not realizing how it could change the financial landscape.
What goal post? Neither SP nor wealth are static universal goal posts. At the individual level we may have goals along that nature, as I do, but the introduction of TSP doesn't change what skills do, thus doesn't change my training goals, and doesn't entice me at the anticipated price points, thus not changing my in game wealth goals.

If by goal posts you mean the leaderboards, then as stated that was a predetermined and self serving contest. It only supported itself, and the SP those characters has still grants every benefit with or without TSP.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#6138 - 2015-12-09 01:31:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
If by goal posts you mean the leaderboards, then as stated that was a predetermined and self serving contest. It only supported itself, and the SP those characters has still grants every benefit with or without TSP.

OOOOOOHHHH SNAPPP BOY

You did it now. Point out it was a self-serving content. I mean contest. But the board is content right? PvP for the top spot? Criticap part of being a capsuleer?

Immersion broken, I might as well unsub since there's no reason to grind my SP

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
A Ingus
Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships
#6139 - 2015-12-09 02:07:49 UTC
Holy crap you two spammed the **** out of this page. Just an indicator of the quality of your posts. It appears you think he who posts last wins.

And since those that oppose this proposal appear to have tired of your antics, and no longer bother to post, I think it is time for CCP to admit they see TSP as a cash cow. And don't give a **** what players think for or against. If only to spare us of you two and give your hands a rest.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6140 - 2015-12-09 02:21:41 UTC
A Ingus wrote:
Holy crap you two spammed the **** out of this page. Just an indicator of the quality of your posts. It appears you think he who posts last wins.

And since those that oppose this proposal appear to have tired of your antics, and no longer bother to post, I think it is time for CCP to admit they see TSP as a cash cow. And don't give a **** what players think for or against. If only to spare us of you two and give your hands a rest.
Responding to comments made to you = spamming now?

Guess any excuse to silence those you don't agree with, or hope they're weak willed enough to be shamed into silencing themselves for defending their positions.