EVE General Discussion

You lack this same ability, you simply jump to "change is bad" instead.

It won't though. Progress will always ensure that things that used to be difficult are easier and new things add new challenges. Older players will always complain about how things were tougher back in their day.


Good for you, now it's more documented than it was but there's more features. Like I said before, times change. Now there are simply different challenges for newer players and you're complaining because thye don't have the same challenges as you did.

I didn't suggest it was. I suggested that you want all newbies to be punished by bad mechanics so they take as long as you took to figure out the game. The thing is, that's your experience. I found it no more difficult to figure out than a newbie has it now. I certainly didn't have to spend months grinding missions when I started, so that tells me that it wasn't the difficulty of the game but your ability to pick it up. Even now a bad player will have a hard time getting going.

No I don't, you no absolutely nothing about me, in-game or out. You've got your own preconceptions about who you think I am and you refuse to look past that prejudice at what is actually said. The way I see it, the game should be a challenge but the challenge should be entertaining. That means that some parts of the gameplay do need to be easier while others need to be harder. For example I think that joining up with your mates should carry a significantly lower risk of becoming a target for mass wardeccers and mining in highsec should be a lot safer than it is. At the same time I think incursions in highsec need to be nuked and trading should have significantly higher overheads. A lot of static mechanics like ice and asteroid belt size and locations should be much more dynamic so the economy shifts about a lot. The thing is this isn't even the first time I've stated things like this and every time you simply ignore it then at a later point make some ludicrous claim that all I want is to protect the carebears.

The thing is, it's clear you don't live with the rest of us in reality which is why you seem to believe no safety reducing changes have ever been made and you seem to have no concept of the economy having changed over time, so you see someone making an amount that would have been quite large back in 2007 but don't realise you could buy significantly more with less isk back then. Sounds like selective memory to me mate.

That's not true. I know you from your posting. So does everyone else here. Now there are 2 possibilities: the rather large group who think the same things about you that I do are wrong (which is possible) or they (and I) are right and you suffer delusions about the kind of person you are. IMO the latter is way more common than the former, and your propensity to see yourself as 'fighting for the underdog' is a common trait of those who do the latter.

TL;DR if you think everoyne around you is a ...hole or some kind, you're probably the hole.



I'm sure a thing of two happened that reduced safety, but those are moot because all the tons of other things that happened that enhanced safety. There is that 'false equality' sense you display in action again.

As for the economy, that's just you projecting. At no point have i spoken about the value of isk. I make a steady 90 mil isk an hour with my Mach in Wicked Creek right now,if you told me 90 mil in 2007 I would have crapped my pants, it's not the same now. And i never said it was.

But things spew wealth so much now adays that even if you adjust for 2007 isk, it's crazy. The main reason why CCP has historically been a sandbox company is because they just aren't very good in making content (notice how much got screwed up by Crimson Harvest?) and don't know how to balance rewards across the whole span of their game. It would be more helpful to them if people were honest about rewards in game, but people are too stuck in their own wallets and ideology.

Likewise with player retention and NPE stuff. They (like you) are too busy feeling sorry for folk and advocating 'change" (ie giving them free stuff basically) to understand (let alone admit) that the best way forward might be a tougher, less forgiving game. Mainly because that kind of game fosters stronger emotional ties from pride and frustration. ie "like it was in my day.... you know, when the game was growing"

And they are failing. They are failing because they are responding to the situation like you would.

Does EVE actually have to die for them to see that the soft and cuddly way just doesn't cut it? The difference between CCP and you is thatr you can afford to be this wrong about things.



This is one of the many reasons i dislike you on a personal level. You excoriate me for a thing, then you do the thing you accused me of. Here you are looking at the game through some rose colored glasses ie "I rarely got caused issues by other players". I did get caused issues. I survived a suicide gank, I had people in my missions in Dodixie and Vylade everyday trying to bait me, got spam mail about isk doubling etc. You , like the rest of us, weren't the whole game back then, yo don't know what happened to others back then, and yet you don't even try to account for the possibility that you may just have been lucky.

Verdict is out on that one, they've barely got started on it.

Neither I nor CCP are suggesting "soft and cuddly". You just can't see anything between two extremes. For you if they make any change to make it even slightly easier, that's "soft and cuddly". The thing is, on some points we even agree, like incursions for example.

It's just a game buddy.

Exactly, you got caused issues and you got ganked. I had an easy time (primarily because I'm remotely competent). Now you have an easy time and you see some newbies (like your mate) having an easy time, yet you ignore the countless players who aren't having an easy time. It's just as it always has been, some people find it easy, some don't. This idea that CCP are making everything "soft and cuddly", it's in your head because you can only see in extremes. Like I said earlier, while mechanics are being explained better and the learning curve is being shortened, the number of things on that curve are increasing and the existing playerbase it getting more and more adept at ruining your day, and while some mechanics are made safer, others are made more risky.

The thing is, if you have it your way and the game stays as difficult in every way, then the existing playerbase gets stronger and stronger while new players start as far down the ladder as ever. Since EVE isn't like other games, there's no "levelling zone" and those newbies are thrown in with these ever stronger veterans and EVE becomes less and less appealing to new players.

At the end of the day, I trust CCP to take it in the right direction. A decent overhaul of PvE is long overdue and the new proposals look to be taking it in what I believe is the right direction. I understand that you disagree and to be quite honest, I don't really care. All the time you're going to continue misrepresenting my opinions and unwilling to have a reasonable discussion, anything you say is irrelevant to me.

Fascinating...I usually log in around 8 to 9p MST and there's usually between 14 and 16K people on. I intentionally try to find remote and isolated high sec (0.7 to 0.5) systems to run missions in and there are anywhere from only me to about 3 others in the system and neighboring systems.

The event was PvE (shoot rats, get juicy rewards), and apparently the fun was all the crazy PvP that developed around it (shoot the guys shooting rats, shoot the guys getting rewards, steal the rewards...).

So Crimsom Harvest counts as a success because PvPrs had a blast. As for PvErs... I don't know. Apparently there's another event in the making (Operation Frostline) but there's no details and you bet PvPrs will have a blast with it, and PvErs... dunno.

Further dip to 2006 levels what's the excuse this time?

Yeah, I think not being "in" the actual Citadel is a huge mistake.

Sooo its easy to gather 1.2 bill ISK or not?! I am confused.

yay, easy plex for us!